60i to 24p not this easy is it?

reflex

reflex

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I have PPRO 2.0 and have been reading about converting to progressive frames and also converting to 24p.

Is it really as easy as using 60i footage, editing, then exporting , setting the settings to deinterlace and switch the frame rate to 24? Will this work? I did a test clip and it seemed ok. The motion didn't seem irregular ( maybe it was and I just coulnd't notice it. )

I know there are programs and plugins for this, but I am broke now ( since buying a new camera, Encore 2.0, upgrading to PPRO 2.0 ) and I dont wanna steal it/ do the pirate thing. Cant I just do it that way? Whats teh downside of doing it that way?
 
you can download a free trial for 30 days and give it a whirl, and do your 24fp conversion on a finished premiere renedered out video.
 
I tried this a few days ago in the PP 2.0 trial. It appeared to work (Vegas does it similarly), but I detected a couple of snags.

It appears to deinterlace by blending fields instead of interpolating them. That's ideal if you don't have much motion, because it will preserve as much resolution as possible. (Interpolating fields can cut resolution up to half.) But if there is a lot of motion, there's a ghosting effect, and that was present.

It appears also there is no way to export with 2:3 pulldown -- only 2:3:3:2 pulldown or Adobe's own ABBCD pattern. It's 2:3 pulldown which gives you the smoothest motion for playback; 2:3:3:2 pulldown was never meant to be a delivery pulldown scheme, only an editing tool.
 
David Jimerson said:
It appears also there is no way to export with 2:3 pulldown -- only 2:3:3:2 pulldown or Adobe's own ABBCD pattern. It's 2:3 pulldown which gives you the smoothest motion for playback; 2:3:3:2 pulldown was never meant to be a delivery pulldown scheme, only an editing tool.
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Yeah that's really annoying. anyone know if the new After Effects can export 2:3?
 
I have AE 6.0 pro and PPRO 2.0. I just got my FX1 yesterday and haven't gotten a chance to use it yet. I thought today I would test it out. HDV is really idfferent. I'm even having trouble trying to export now. Like once I shoot 1080i, and say I wanna export for Encore dvd or a file to bring into AE, what do I export it as? an avi? or that uncompressed avi 4:2:2? (that file gets HUGE by the way)

I tried with settings for DV AVI with widesdcreen aspect ratio and anamorphic etc... but the picture always came out wierd, letterboxed or distorted.

Maybe it's better to use Quicktime Pro to make h.264 MOV files than Adobe's Media Encoder?

QT alwasy seems to wash out everytyhing...

Anyway back to progressive conversion...shooting 60i i've never had to deal with the interlacing showing up, really though, I guess I've been lucky not to have had it show up, or maybe i'm just a master cameraman... lol..yeah right.

Now I see why everyone, or most do... get the ASpect HD for PPRO. My computer just meets the requirements for editing HDV and sometimes playback of the captured mpegs is alittle jittery and choppy. I think I willhave to invest in that.

mo money mo money
 
UPDATE*

Well I downloaded the trial of Aspect HD and am looking to get that. It really makes things a lot easier. Doesn't do anything for render times with magic bullet though ( seems like render times actually increased a little bit :/ )

but everything else thats included with teh plugin happens in realtime, just like they said, which is great.

I'm starting the slow process of learning widescreen and converting all this junk. It's kinda difficult now that i'm trying it. sometimes when i render out as a file, the video is streched vertically... is this what happens when you view that wider pixel ona square pixel monitor? So when outputting if I view 1:1 ratio and not correcting pixel ratio I will see whats going to show on a TV or computer monitor? What else has teh wider pixel like my sony?

What is the problem with Quicktime and h.264? When I watch other people stuff, it comes out great looking. When i'm seeing the video in the NLE, it looks good but when I output to quicktime it looks REALLY washed out. the blacks are almost a gray. Is this how the captured video realy looks and I'm just viewing a proxy file or something in my NLE?
 
Reflex,

Premiere has always been the absolute worst program on the planet for quality of deinterlacing. It has always been straight up field blending (and, if possible, it looks even worse than straight frame blending should look). I haven't used 2.0 yet, but I doubt it's much of an improvement. And changing frame rates on deinterlaced footage has always been a simple process of dropping frames in Premiere, as in, going from 30p to 24p, it just drops every fifth frame. Not good for rendering the motion accurately.

It is really worth it to go with an adaptive deinterlacer like DVFilm Maker, or an interpolater like Magic Bullet, or even the various methods available through the freeware tools, like VirtualDub/AVISynth. Very much worth it!

Josh
 
Thanks Josh. i definately see what you mean. I'm using aspet now and it's looking better. I"m just having trouble with all the conversion. Like when I shoot 1080/60i CF24 , then captuer using cineform setting for 1080 60 to 1080/24p, THEN i output to a WMV i see deinterlacing... Did I not do something right? I just read on the cineform site that it converts it to real 24p and deintelaces....

Im confused
 
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