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Barry_Green
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No information (other than color) is officially known or released.
It should be out before you need to buy though, according to your signature.
The DVX100A immediately replaced the DVX100, so it would seem reasonable to guess that the DVX100B would replace the DVX100A. However, some retailers will likely still have some DVX100A stock until they're sold out, so there may be a period of time where you could choose between them.
As for price, that is unknown as well. The DVX100A was $200 higher than the DVX100. That doesn't mean anything, other than to point out that the last time the camera was updated, the price did change.
Might be a total sack of horse sh*t but a 'friend' of mine swears that it'll be HD BUT it'll do HDV not DVCPro HD like the HVX.... hence Panny keeping very silent over the spec of the DVX100b.
His reasoning is that the HVX will only sell to the serious film makers due to its price. Panny needs something to compete in the HD prosumer market as currently Sony OWNS the market with the FX and Z1 etc and now with the HC1 will mop up all the serious amateur.
Panny with its current line-up is totally exposed... people WANT high def HOW!
Indy...
His reasoning is that the HVX will only sell to the serious film makers due to its price. Panny needs something to compete in the HD prosumer market as currently Sony OWNS the market with the FX and Z1 etc and now with the HC1 will mop up all the serious amateur.
Panny with its current line-up is totally exposed... people WANT high def HOW!
Indy...
I'd really doubt that since Panny's not part of the HDV consortium. They could make their own similar format, but that's not likely either. What's your friend's source on this info? I doubt it's very good, but I could be wrong.
Also, Sony's HC1 is a one-chip camera with no manual controls. It's not for amateur anythings, but for consumers. The sample footage from it does look great, though.
Also, Sony's HC1 is a one-chip camera with no manual controls. It's not for amateur anythings, but for consumers. The sample footage from it does look great, though.
Not sure there was a 'source'!
99% of people wouldn't know 1 chip from 3 or come to think of it 100 chip Sony have a product that's within their budget and Panny don't!
Your point that the sample footage looks great makes the point.
Here in the UK HD will explode over the next 12 months and Panny have nothing in the market... Sony have an offering for each market segment. The average person would keep their camera what 3/4 years? Panasonic need to have something now unless they want to be playing catchup for the next 5+ years.
Indy.....
99% of people wouldn't know 1 chip from 3 or come to think of it 100 chip Sony have a product that's within their budget and Panny don't!
Your point that the sample footage looks great makes the point.
Here in the UK HD will explode over the next 12 months and Panny have nothing in the market... Sony have an offering for each market segment. The average person would keep their camera what 3/4 years? Panasonic need to have something now unless they want to be playing catchup for the next 5+ years.
Indy.....
I see your point Indy. I doubt the DVX100b would be HD though, because it would require a major overhaul - new chips, codec etc, and they may as well just design a totally new model.
It is true though that Pany is going to have to come up with a consumer codec for HD. That is the way things are going! Maybe they will buy into HDV, as it seems great for consumer shooting. Maybe HD straight to a DVD? Maybe solid state to run to DVD via firewire, who knows... I just doubt it will be in the DVX100b!
It is true though that Pany is going to have to come up with a consumer codec for HD. That is the way things are going! Maybe they will buy into HDV, as it seems great for consumer shooting. Maybe HD straight to a DVD? Maybe solid state to run to DVD via firewire, who knows... I just doubt it will be in the DVX100b!
Is anyone going to buy this camera? With all this HD cameras coming out, I don't really know if I would be interested in upgrading my DVX100AE. I am happy with it and I am still learning to use it.
Probably next year I will get a HD camera next year, but for now, my old DVX100AE still works for me.
Just like other guys kept their original DVX100.
Maybe they are going to add native 16x9 chips, who knows?
Probably next year I will get a HD camera next year, but for now, my old DVX100AE still works for me.
Just like other guys kept their original DVX100.
Maybe they are going to add native 16x9 chips, who knows?
Kelly Olsen
Well-known member
araujofh said:
Yes, I would buy this camera since I have not yet made my purchase of any DVX 100. I started to buy the current model but my shoot won't start for a month or two so I am very interested in the 100B. I suspect that it could have a native standard def dv 16X9 chip since the HVX is going to have one.The chip might be transportable.
"On paper" the 100A is behind the Canon in regards to 16X9 native and the other HDV cameras, but I'd still lean towards the DVX100 if I had to make the decision today. But if the DVX 100B had any improvement, even just 16X9 native, I'd wait for it and buy a couple of them.
BillP
Well-known member
My hope is that the 100b has 16:9 chips and is able to record DVCPRO50 to P2.
If so, I'll be buying that instead of the HVX.
I have no immediate need for HD but I can definitely use DVCPRO50 right now!
Panasonic is really pushing P2 so i think it's feasable to assume the 100b will have at least one P2 slot.
But who knows?
-Bill
If so, I'll be buying that instead of the HVX.
I have no immediate need for HD but I can definitely use DVCPRO50 right now!
Panasonic is really pushing P2 so i think it's feasable to assume the 100b will have at least one P2 slot.
But who knows?
-Bill
Sirius_Doggy
Veteran
I thought way back several months ago that Jan said the only changes in the "B" was going to be making it legal for sales in Europe by removing certain elements like lead or others. You know, like the way lead has been removed from paint and pencils. I'm not saying there's lead in the DVX. I don't remember what it was.
BrianAWells
Active member
I hope the DVX100B fixes the headphone output... Boy, that would be swell.
Kelly Olsen
Well-known member
After thinking about this today and reading the posts about other products and the competition I have to think that some things from Panasonic about the DVX 100 "B" do not make sense.
Before NAB in April panasonic and its representative (who we are lucky to have on these boards) announced the HVX 200. They gave many details about the camera befoe NAB and at NAB they had pamphlets. Even had pictures and information on the website.
This was for a camera that didn't even exist. No working model at NAB. This was also 8 to 10 months before availability. You could even place orders with retailers and get on the list. Virtually every question was being answered by the person who has the title Product Manager for the HDX 200 and the DVX 100A. There are over 10,000 post about the camera on this site and Panasonic reps are giving all kinds of details.
Now the Panasonic representative for the DVX 100 who had almost all the answers for a camera (the HDX 200) that was at least 8 months away from introductin is stating they are unaware of any information (other than color and lack of lead) on a camera that they stated would be out in stores in about 5 weeks.
Would it make sense for a major player in this market to keep the product manager, the person who has been making all the announcemets about cameras, in the dark weeks before its intro? Sales and orders don't just happen. Cameras have to be ordered by distributors and retailers. Resellers also must know what they are going to be getting. It takes a while for orders to be processed and catalogues made and printed etc. All of this has to be done prior to the product being in the store.
So, I strongly suspect that if in fact there is going to be a DVX 100 "B" introduced in the next month or two as previously stated many times, many people already have to know the details.
Before NAB in April panasonic and its representative (who we are lucky to have on these boards) announced the HVX 200. They gave many details about the camera befoe NAB and at NAB they had pamphlets. Even had pictures and information on the website.
This was for a camera that didn't even exist. No working model at NAB. This was also 8 to 10 months before availability. You could even place orders with retailers and get on the list. Virtually every question was being answered by the person who has the title Product Manager for the HDX 200 and the DVX 100A. There are over 10,000 post about the camera on this site and Panasonic reps are giving all kinds of details.
Now the Panasonic representative for the DVX 100 who had almost all the answers for a camera (the HDX 200) that was at least 8 months away from introductin is stating they are unaware of any information (other than color and lack of lead) on a camera that they stated would be out in stores in about 5 weeks.
Would it make sense for a major player in this market to keep the product manager, the person who has been making all the announcemets about cameras, in the dark weeks before its intro? Sales and orders don't just happen. Cameras have to be ordered by distributors and retailers. Resellers also must know what they are going to be getting. It takes a while for orders to be processed and catalogues made and printed etc. All of this has to be done prior to the product being in the store.
So, I strongly suspect that if in fact there is going to be a DVX 100 "B" introduced in the next month or two as previously stated many times, many people already have to know the details.
BrianAWells
Active member
KellyOlson-
You're involved in politics, right? You think Jan doesn't know everything about DVX100B? Come on.
Of course she does! She is the sole person in charge of that products' success in the largest market for it on earth. She proposes improvements for her product line and they are implemented.
Knowing and telling are different, as you're well aware. Hence, the boilerplate responses...
You're involved in politics, right? You think Jan doesn't know everything about DVX100B? Come on.
Of course she does! She is the sole person in charge of that products' success in the largest market for it on earth. She proposes improvements for her product line and they are implemented.
Knowing and telling are different, as you're well aware. Hence, the boilerplate responses...
Kelly Olsen
Well-known member
That is my point and yes, I was a politician, but try not to hold it against me.
However, Barry just made a very compelling and informed argument against my above position in the other thread "latest News". He has been around the Panasonic people and is much more aware than I am about the way Panasonic and its reps work.
He states that one day these cameras just pop up in the stores with no fanfare when they have minor changes. He said this is what happened when the DVX 100 "A" came out and that others do the same.
But I agree that somebody has to know the exact specs on the DVX 100 "B".
However, Barry just made a very compelling and informed argument against my above position in the other thread "latest News". He has been around the Panasonic people and is much more aware than I am about the way Panasonic and its reps work.
He states that one day these cameras just pop up in the stores with no fanfare when they have minor changes. He said this is what happened when the DVX 100 "A" came out and that others do the same.
But I agree that somebody has to know the exact specs on the DVX 100 "B".
Barry_Green
Moderator
Oh, certainly there are people who know what the specs are. But I cannot think of a single case where an existing camera that's being updated/replaced, has its features or changes discussed before the new camera is available.
Even in software that doesn't happen. People may know that Vegas 6 is coming, but it's *impossible* to pry the details of what the upgrades are until the product is available (or, at least a couple of days away from being available). It just doesn't happen.
Think back to the Kaypro computers -- probably the classic example. Kay announced his new computer, and then announced what the next one would have in addition. So nobody bought the current model and Kaypro ended up going bankrupt, starving for cash flow, because everybody was waiting for the next model. (obviously that's an extreme example; the changes in computers are dramatically more significant than the revisions camcorders typically see, especially revisions that warrant a "letter change" in the name -- i.e., DVX100 to DVX100A).
Even in software that doesn't happen. People may know that Vegas 6 is coming, but it's *impossible* to pry the details of what the upgrades are until the product is available (or, at least a couple of days away from being available). It just doesn't happen.
Think back to the Kaypro computers -- probably the classic example. Kay announced his new computer, and then announced what the next one would have in addition. So nobody bought the current model and Kaypro ended up going bankrupt, starving for cash flow, because everybody was waiting for the next model. (obviously that's an extreme example; the changes in computers are dramatically more significant than the revisions camcorders typically see, especially revisions that warrant a "letter change" in the name -- i.e., DVX100 to DVX100A).
i cant believe people still talk about Kaypro lol.. its a myth! Kaypro actually is still around, making PC's for commercial customers. The whole bragging thing was actually Osborne computers, that bragged about new features and models 2 generations ahead of the soon to be released computer... and it wasn't that that killed them, Kaypro killed them by making a faster product for cheaper.. so Kaypro went on top. Kaypro went 10 years after that before filing for bankruptcy the first time.
If I may shift the direction of this interesting discussion.....
At least the very announcment ...or the intention to launch a DVX100B... is a hint from Panasonic that they conisder DVX and HVX as different league cameras. Am I right in my perception...what do you guys think?
This is important question for all those who are thinking to 'upgrade' further from their DVX100 or 100A. In some other threads there seems to be a 'presupposition' that hvx is the 'logical' upgrade to dvx? I have always bllieved that that is not the case...and these two lines of cameras remain fiercely independent of each other in their own unique styles.
At least the very announcment ...or the intention to launch a DVX100B... is a hint from Panasonic that they conisder DVX and HVX as different league cameras. Am I right in my perception...what do you guys think?
This is important question for all those who are thinking to 'upgrade' further from their DVX100 or 100A. In some other threads there seems to be a 'presupposition' that hvx is the 'logical' upgrade to dvx? I have always bllieved that that is not the case...and these two lines of cameras remain fiercely independent of each other in their own unique styles.