AJ-HDX100 - check camcorderinfo.com

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1/3 ccd's - that's the compromise.

you want superb resolution and depth of field, you have to go up to 2/3 ccd's and spend 25k.
 
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[quote author=Kidster link=board=HDV;num=1108204915;start=45#58 date=02/13/05 at 06:11:58]Let's face it, if Panasonic gives us a camera that offers 720/24p at 50mbs, and has a killer piece of glass in front of it[/quote]

But will it have a killer piece of glass? Any ideas on what the lens will look like? Will they significantly improve the Telephoto reach? Man I sure as heck hope so ... and isn't any 1/3" Lens going to be limited in what it can accomplish regardless of the resolution?
 
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No mention of any spec's for the lens have been made. I do hope they continue the Leica relationship, as the lens on the DVX is very very nice.
 
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yes indeed !

It is a very transparent piece of glass from wide angle to full zoom.
If it has 16:9 CCDs then no need to use anamorphic adaptor (works well but limitating the possibility to use full tele and open iris for shallow DOF)

...would be simply perfect ! :) :) :)
 
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[quote author=Antoine_Fabi link=board=HDV;num=1108204915;start=60#63 date=02/13/05 at 14:13:04]If it has 16:9 CCDs then no need to use anamorphic adaptor (works well but limitating the possibility to use full tele and open iris for shallow DOF)...[/quote]

Yeah, but if you DO use the Anamorphic adapter WITH the native 16x9, then you'd get CINEMASCOPE!!!! IN DVCPRO-HD!!!!
 
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Oh, MAN! ... CINEMASCOPE! This is worth make people frenzy. Sorry hehe, this WILL make people frenzy! :o

I´m just imagine how the next generation of indie films are going to look like! People will have to turn the head to follow the film like in a tenis match!
 
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u get cinema scope but its distorted. im not sure but ithink you can only get cinema scope by cropping. Otherwise you can get cinema scope with a DVX100A using sqeezemode and an anamorphic, and that does not work.
 
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Century Optics is already working on an anamorphic lens for Sony's FX-1 & Z-1. The image will either have to be unsqueezed and letter boxed for 4:3 / 16:9 or squeezed an additional 1.33x for scanning to 35mm film.
 
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Not to chill the vibe, but "cinemascope" in 1/3 ccd cams blown up to film...would look pretty crappy.

Even the sony f900 has issues with big long distance vistas.

But someone will probably try to shoot a western anyway... ::)
 
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[quote author=SergejIvanovits link=board=HDV;num=1108204915;start=45#59 date=02/13/05 at 07:16:12]
If Panasonic gives you a DVCPRO-HD under 10k it will be a compromise like the Z1 is. Jody said the Z1 fits into the HD production and believe it it fits. And if Panasonic doesn't give much much more for the price under 10k than the Z1 gives for under 5k, they gonna loose this game.
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Frankly interframe compression, 4:2:2 color space, uncompressed audio, and real 24P will surpass the HDV format any day. Oh and edit systems that work in the native codec, today. I think when it all comes out, this will be the hottest camera in the marketplace. I wish I could tell you all more, but soon it will be clear.

Best regards,

Jan
 
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its gonna be the best thing ever...until panasonic comes out with something better...im excited...cant wait!

peace out homies!

ps...i will shite my pants if it can do 60p....which even if it doesnt its all good cause i wont have to shite my pants...but if it does, and i shite my pants, i wont be so bummed about having to wash up my shite-ed bottom and pants...

peace out again homies!

:D
 
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hmm...im a spaz....when you record 24p on dvcpro...does it still do the whole 2332 pulldown stuff?
 
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Thanks, Jan

My best guess I think the camera will cost around the same as the Z1. What the $10,000 is going to cover is the P2 cards, docking station, etc. I think it'll record the HD to the tape. It'll have to until P2 cards come down for those who want to shoot in HD but can't afford the cards yet.

I think it will be the hot camera. 24p on a HD codec that's proven.

When I emailed a friend about the goodies listed in Jan's post. He said forget the Sony wait for the Panny. That'll blow Sony out of the water.
 
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[quote author=Jan_Crittenden link=board=HDV;num=1108204915;start=60#69 date=02/14/05 at 14:53:35]

Frankly interframe compression, 4:2:2 color space, uncompressed audio, and real 24P will surpass the HDV format any day.  Oh and edit systems that work in the native codec, today.  I think when it all comes out, this will be the hottest camera in the marketplace.  I wish I could tell you all more, but soon it will be clear.

Best regards,

Jan


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well if you pm each and everyone of us dvxusers the details, we won't let anyone know... :-X ;) ;D
 
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[quote author=Rich Lee link=board=HDV;num=1108204915;start=60#71 date=02/14/05 at 15:00:25]hmm...im a spaz....when you record 24p on dvcpro...does it still do the whole 2332 pulldown stuff?[/quote]
Sort of. On tape, it duplicates frames in the Varicam. The VariCam's CCD runs at variable scanning rates, from 4 to 60 frames per second, but the DVCPRO-HD tape always records at 60p. So if you chose to shoot at 30p, the camera would scan a new frame 30 times per second, but the tape requires 60 frames per second, so each frame gets duplicated (and flagged for removal). Whn shooting 24fps on the Varicam, the CCD runs at 24Hz, and it produces 24 pictures per second, but the tape still needs to record 60 frames per second. So every even frame gets written to tape twice, and every odd frame gets written three times (2:3 pulldown, basically, but frame-based, not field-based). When captured, the FCP tool can do a software-based Frame Rate Conversion, which discards all the duplicated frames and leaves only the individually-imaged frames. So yes, it's basically like 24PA/2:3:3:2... in fact, the VariCam is likely what inspired Panasonic to invent 24P on the DVX.
 
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Just out of curiousity, does the FCP frame-rate converter automatically detect whatever frame-rate you shot with, or do you have to set it up to capture specific frame-rates? If it automatically detects it, can you capture footage with different frame-rates during one capture?
 
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gotcha, thanks barry....one more Q...do you capture first, then discard the duplicate frames? or are flags raised during the capture that discard duped frames.

you the man now dawg!
 
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I'm sure it depends on the way the camera records the footage, and the way the capture software works.

On tape, all 60 frames are captured every time. But the speculation is that the camera, since it's writing to P2 cards, may discard the whole duplicate-frame issue when writing the data to the memory card. That would mean the capture software would be -- well, irrelevant, actually. The camera WOULD BE the capture card, because the data would be written as a computer-readable file to the P2 card. The P2 card acts basically as a solid-state hard disk, so the potential exists that writing to the P2 card is basically the same as if you'd captured in the video from tape -- the result is a computer-readable data file. With a P2 card you just plug the card into your computer and you can edit right from the card, or you can copy the contents of the card onto a hard disk, or -- get this -- with the SPX800 P2 camera, you can plug the camera into the computer through a USB2 cable, and the computer will recognize the camera as if it was a hard disk! So you can edit from the camera, using the camera itself (and all the cards that are plugged into it) as a big external hard disk!

Okay, so back to capturing and frame rate conversion -- um, I don't really know when it's done, but I believe that Apple provides a software Frame Rate Conversion utility. I would guess that it would be employed after capture, but I'm not an FCP user so I can't answer that question.
 
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Thanks, Barry!

"with the SPX800 P2 camera, you can plug the camera into the computer through a USB2 cable, and the computer will recognize the camera as if it was a hard disk! So you can edit from the camera, using the camera itself (and all the cards that are plugged into it) as a big external hard disk!"

Wow, this P2 technology continues to impress me!
 
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