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  • High1ander
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    I got the z190, for me filming sports the extra zoom and lower price was worth it over the z280 (you can't toggle the digital zoom without it being like a jump cut zoom). However z190 does suffer in low light, so in less pro-arenas (with less light) it struggles and I need to toggle 9-12 db boost, but in Full HD it is clean enough for being no problem in sports. Only real problem I have is that the auto-focus stopped working (i lent it to 2 colleagues on a gig, and after that it didn't work...). Haven't bothered fixing AF since for the work I do and rent it out for it isn't needed. Only thing I really would like from the z280 is the ability to have the SDI clean and the HDMI dirty with overlay or vice versa, the z190 gets the same feed to both outputs.

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  • Doug Jensen
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    If someone would like to hire me to do testing and comparisons, I would be happy to do so. Otherwise, the information in my existing videos will have to suffice. I am not in the business of selling cameras or suggesting what cameras would be appropriate for other people. But if someone decides to buy a Z280, FS7, etc. I can teach them how to get the most out of it. That is what I do. If I spent my time disputing every stupid, ill-informed thing that people posted on Fecebook, Twatter, or Youtube, I'd have no time for anything else. Testing cameras or proving the performance or features of a camera to skeptics is not my bag, baby. :-)

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  • Duff TV
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    Doug

    Just like with Canons lie about the 705s Advanced Zoom having "Virtually no loss of quality" I'm beginning to have no faith in Sony's Extended Zoom feature. People are saying on the Z280 Facebook page that there are obvious artifacts and loss of quality yet Doug you say in one of your videos that its perfectly acceptable.

    Have you or anyone at Sony fully tested this feature with a side by a de there abd then comparison to another camera?


    I just can't believe the big lie Canon and Sony have told the world. I mean does a car manufacturer talk up a specific feature that in the real world doesn't really work. Obviously with my sports coverage I need to take the plunge and upgrade to a more expensive camera with a real lens. Truth is the Canon 705 and Sony z280 just won't cut it with digital zoom when the output and is going to Broadcast TV.

    I have a job coming up in late March and both the 705 and 280 don't get the gig.

    I'm guttered.

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  • wmptv
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    Originally posted by Asaf Blasberg View Post
    OK thanks Brian - i guess will have to test it
    Hi Asaf, apologies to all for bumping this thread but unable to PM Asaf directly.

    Did you pursue getting this camera and did you have any IR problems? I ask as we're looking to finally upgrade out kit but having had an original EX3, which suffered greatly with this IR issue, we don't want to go down this road unless Sony has addressed this. Lost count of the number of 486 or T1 filters we've had to buy and replace lol!

    Many thanks for your advice, or indeed anyone else who's got a Z280

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  • Duff TV
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    Hi Doug

    You've got me thinking, so you could assign one of the two buttons that is next to the right hand zoom rocker to "Digital Extender" so that way when filming say a sports event you just hit the button and get in and then hit it again and you are out and back in normal 17x?

    I've done this in the past on the Canon 305 but that was in 720 and so digital zoom wasnt always great plus it was 1.5. The 2x option on the Z280 sounds better and I would think have more impact. It sort of minics a 2 camera shoot.

    Doug in one of your other posts or videos you did say that you found the Digital Extender perfectly acceptable in quality. I just wish I could see some samples going between normal 17x and x34. This would give ne great confidence given the issues I have encountered with the digital zoom on the Canon XF705.

    Also any samples out there showing a smooth slow creep from the Z280 for there is some guy having a real rant on another forum. Here's the link https://www.amazon.com/product-revie...pe=all_reviews

    I remember the EX1's had real problems with doing a slow creep, that was one of the reasons I gave up and went Canon XF305's.

    Thanks Doug


    Martin
    Last edited by Duff TV; 02-02-2020, 08:45 PM.

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  • Doug Jensen
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    Originally posted by Duff TV View Post
    The 17x on the Z280 just won't be long enough.
    If you're shooting in HD then the Digital Extender will give a 34x zoom at the touch of a button even while rolling. No loss of light. And the Z280 is one of the best cameras I have ever tested for low-light. ISO 2000 out of the box and IS0 2500 with some scene file tweaks. And with an f/1.9 lens thorughout almost all of the zoom range. Not too many cameras will beat that.

    BTW, Clear Image Zoom is a consumer-style digital zoom that isn't even on the Z280. Forget about it.

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  • Doug Jensen
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    Originally posted by nutmegger View Post
    Have you considered the Panasonic CX350 or JVC HC500SP?
    The CX350 is terrible in low light. It was one of the cameras we tested prior to production of Eco Challenge Fiji last summer and it was not even close to the others. BTW, ultimately forty Z280s and Z90s were chosen for that level of camera in the show, with the Panasonic Varicam LT as the primary "big" camera.
    Last edited by Doug Jensen; 02-01-2020, 09:28 AM.

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  • nutmegger
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    Originally posted by Duff TV View Post
    A few questions from a Canon lover who might be going back to Sony. Note I shoot alot of sport here in Australia especially cricket and Aussie Rules so need a camera with a long zoom. I also film alot of theatre stage shows.

    Q1. Is there any real world footage out there showcasing the Sony Clear Image Zoom feature?

    Q2. How soft is it on the wide and when zoomed right in?

    Q3. Am I correct in saying that if you activate that feature you lose the native wide shot so therefore your wide is not all that wide?

    Q4. How does the X160 compare to the Z190 & Z280 for both lower light such as stage concerts and daylight filming. I'm assuming its much better than the Z190?

    After months of research I bought a Canon XF705 but have experienced disappointing results with its "Advanced Zoom" feature that sees that camera go from 15x to a 30x camera when in HD. Put simply the images are unusable in a professional environment. Canon are looking into the issue but I fear it could be an inherent issue with the 705 which is a shame for I just love the camera esepcially as I have predominantly used XF305's for sometime. Note: The images in 4K or when in HD and with the Advanced zoom feature off are just wonderful and a major step up over the 305. Its just this Advanced zoom feature that is the issue.

    I've also owned a Sony EX1 (total beast in low light) and more recently Sony X160. The X160 it seems wasn't all that popular camera but I was super impressed with its long zoom and low light capability, razor sharp image. It seemed as good as the EX1 or close too. Here is that camera shooting Aussie Rules shot in 720 50p https://youtu.be/W5Rx66zuWgs?t=1806 (Thought you Yankies might like to also see this great game). Lol

    I'm reading poor reviews (not just here) on the Z190 so whilst it might be tempting as it has the long zoom I fear it might be disappointing in lower light situations. Certainly Doug's tests indicate that.

    The 17x on the Z280 just won't be long enough.

    It seems there is not one camera in this range that has the two key features I really need that being Long zoom & excellent in low light. rrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Thanks



    Martin Duffy
    Duff TV
    Hobart Tasmania
    Australia
    Have you considered the Panasonic CX350 or JVC HC500SP?

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  • Duff TV
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    Sony Clear Image Zoom - Does it really work

    A few questions from a Canon lover who might be going back to Sony. Note I shoot alot of sport here in Australia especially cricket and Aussie Rules so need a camera with a long zoom. I also film alot of theatre stage shows.

    Q1. Is there any real world footage out there showcasing the Sony Clear Image Zoom feature?

    Q2. How soft is it on the wide and when zoomed right in?

    Q3. Am I correct in saying that if you activate that feature you lose the native wide shot so therefore your wide is not all that wide?

    Q4. How does the X160 compare to the Z190 & Z280 for both lower light such as stage concerts and daylight filming. I'm assuming its much better than the Z190?

    After months of research I bought a Canon XF705 but have experienced disappointing results with its "Advanced Zoom" feature that sees that camera go from 15x to a 30x camera when in HD. Put simply the images are unusable in a professional environment. Canon are looking into the issue but I fear it could be an inherent issue with the 705 which is a shame for I just love the camera esepcially as I have predominantly used XF305's for sometime. Note: The images in 4K or when in HD and with the Advanced zoom feature off are just wonderful and a major step up over the 305. Its just this Advanced zoom feature that is the issue.

    I've also owned a Sony EX1 (total beast in low light) and more recently Sony X160. The X160 it seems wasn't all that popular camera but I was super impressed with its long zoom and low light capability, razor sharp image. It seemed as good as the EX1 or close too. Here is that camera shooting Aussie Rules shot in 720 50p https://youtu.be/W5Rx66zuWgs?t=1806 (Thought you Yankies might like to also see this great game). Lol

    I'm reading poor reviews (not just here) on the Z190 so whilst it might be tempting as it has the long zoom I fear it might be disappointing in lower light situations. Certainly Doug's tests indicate that.

    The 17x on the Z280 just won't be long enough.

    It seems there is not one camera in this range that has the two key features I really need that being Long zoom & excellent in low light. rrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    Thanks



    Martin Duffy
    Duff TV
    Hobart Tasmania
    Australia
    Last edited by Duff TV; 02-01-2020, 12:42 AM.

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  • bigmouthmedia
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    Z280 - Test Footage !

    Hi Morgan,

    So had a good look at it today (could've spent longer, but had to get back to the office !). Obviously shooting without having a full brief and just picking random things is always a bit different, but this'll give you a better idea of how it looks.
    I shot everything in 25p in a mix between UHD and HD, with a shot in S & Q 60p (which looks good). I did try shooting S & Q out to my Atomos but it came out very choppy and jagged, so not sure what goes on there.

    Not being familiar with Sony menus, I had to dig to find Slog 3 - you have to change the operating mode from SDR to HDR and then HDR settings in the paint menu. A lot of my Slog test footage was very grainy, so I've not included it here - I'm sure with more experience, it'd be fine.
    It's quite a beefy camera, and tried to put it on my shoulder rig, but the ergonomics don't lend them selves to what I was using and still trying to handhold with the zoom rocker in your hand. It was fine on my Manfrotto monopod however, you just have to balance it.

    The aperture is constant unless you put it on auto, so everything was shot at 1.9 to get some form of depth of field. Macro is also something you can switch on and off and seems to do pretty well.
    Didn't test audio, and was only the internal microphone recording at the time.

    If you shoot in XAVI-L you can only do 1920x1080p50 and a few other variations, so in XAVI-I you get 3840 x 2160 25p, 23.976, 50, etc.

    For a run and gun (and for nice b-roll shots), it probably doesn't have the creaminess of a GH5s (which I also own) but it certainly doesn't look too 'videolike' as I thought it might have been.

    Hope this helps !

    Video - On 25p UHD timeline, exported at 1920 x 1080.

    https://youtu.be/rhdlOXYxwU4
    Last edited by bigmouthmedia; 07-12-2018, 04:19 AM.

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  • morgan_moore
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    maybe you want to chime in with your expericences of the camera in hand.

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  • bigmouthmedia
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    Good news, our local video shop has got in a couple for demos - I'm going to be testing it tomorrow and will shoot as much footage as possible in variations (25p/50p/SLog3) and see what I get.

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  • bigmouthmedia
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    Another question (I'll be testing this in the next week or so) - can this shoot at 25p and produce anything that looks remotely filmic ? I'm a bit concerned this'll be a 'video look' type of camera. Which might lead me over the FS7ii.

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  • bigmouthmedia
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    A couple of queries from a current GH4 owner who was going to go GH5s, but may not

    I often shoot theatre/stage shows with 2 cameras, and appreciate that I'll be able to hook up the TC between the two (that's a great start).

    So....
    - Does anyone have info if the TC in this is pretty tight and won't drop frames over time ?
    - Is there a capability to save settings (Paint, etc) from one camera and transmit or save them to an SD and put it in another Z280 to match them ?
    - I keep reading a constant 1.9 aperture (great) but not a shallow DOF - I'm hoping to use this for interviews, etc - but would hope I would get some bokeh out of this, albeit from a longer distance.
    - Will the Z280 be able to livestream through the Ethernet as well ?
    - If you attach a dual reciever (MI compatible) for lavalier microphones (UWP-D I think), can you split each channel off to a separate channel on the Z280 (ie left to Ch1, Right to Ch 2) ? I like the ability to mix in an atmos microphone too AND a boom if i need
    - Is there a shoulder rig that suits this ?
    - Is there a possibility of using VLock with this ?

    It's all about future proofing
    Last edited by bigmouthmedia; 06-24-2018, 07:15 PM.

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  • Asaf Blasberg
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    P.S. - how does this compare to the DVX200 which i currently own - DVX200 has a 4/3" sensor, much larger than the 3 CMOS 1/2"?
    Thanks again!

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