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    NAS Raid or something better for less money/

    Been looking at a QNAP NAS raid for editing 4k.

    Has its own processor and ram (sorta like a small computer for the raid)

    But looking at 40tb (10tb of Seagate Ironwolf HHDs) with 1 tb of SSD for cache.

    Read good reviews about the speed and other things.

    All for about $2,500...

    Any thoughts?

    I figure shooting with Sony Fs5 and if I go to prores afterwards. About 10tb should equal my footage space.

    Just have to get a set or Rokinons and some lights.

    So any cutting costs without cutting speeds would be helpful? Normally I ask a friend’s son these things. But my friend’s son has enough on his mind with his dad being in the hospital right now and losing his mom 6 months ago too. So I don’t want to brother him right now.
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    Are you editing on a Mac or PC?
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      #3
      You need a NAS if more than one computer access your files at the same time. If you are only using one computer you are wasting money.

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        #4
        looking to replace my iMac with the new 2019 iMac... no other computer...
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          #5
          Qnap are great small servers but I probably wouldnt use it as an editing media server. If on gbit network it goes up to around 112MB/s.

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            #6
            You can definitely use QNAP models for video editing. Many of the latest models come with 10Gbe ports and Thunderbolt ports which make it easier to connect to a TB3 equipped Mac or PC. QNAP has been courting the editing market and FCPX users in particular for years and if you search their site you'll find a number useful articles.

            Bob Zelin is a respected video integration engineer who has helped post houses and TV stations with SANs for decades switched to using QNAPs exclusively a few years ago. He uses QNAPs with some pretty high end customers so I'm pretty sure they will work for most of us. There is a link below to his site with his observations about QNAPs. If you google his name you'll find a few of the forums he posts where there is quite a bit of discussion and commentary. Of course you can also reach out to him directly through his site. Fair warning though, he's a crotchety old man who likes to offend as a way of saying hi.

            While I've been looking at the 8 bay TVS-872XT, if you're only want to buy 4 bay model take a look at it's little brother the TVS-472XT. I'm not sure what performance you can expect to get with spinning hard drives but with SSDs the performance is quite good at above 1000 MBs. SSDs have some down in price so much that it makes sense for many to consider moving to SSDs. Both the TVS-472XT and TVS-872XT have 2 Thunderbolt 3 ports and a single 10Gbe port. Both units also have an open PCIE slot that can be used to add additional 10Gbe ports or if you're feeling really ambitious a 40Gbe port.

            Another nice things about the QNAPs is they provide relatively affordable USB3.X and Thunderbolt expansion bays. These can be used to be used to easily expand the primary unit, making it simple to back up the primary SSD RAID to spinning media. Their Thunderbolt expansion bays are Thunderbolt 2 instead of Thunderbolt 3 but you can use an adapter or cable to connect a Thunderbolt NAS.

            If you want to connect via 10Gbe on a system without the required port one option for Thunderbolt 3 equipped systems is the CalDigit Connect 10G. It only costs $150 and gives you a bus powered 10Gbe port when connected to a TB3 port on a PC or Mac.

            There is also a review of Peter Wiggins did over at FCP.co of the TS-453BT3. It's a bit lower end the than the TVS-472XT I recommended above but he seemed to like it well enough. The TVS-472XT has the advantage of much faster write speeds and more expandability.

            https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/tvs-472xt

            http://www.bobzelin.com/how-our-san-works

            http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/arti...ed-storage-nas

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              #7
              Great great post Gary!

              Originally posted by Gary T View Post
              Fair warning though, [Bob Zelin is] a crotchety old man who likes to offend as a way of saying hi.
              Note that the cranky stuff is almost all shtick. His insults are usually funny and always followed by solid advice. Bob's a generous, funny, smart guy who only talks about and recommends stuff he knows about.

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                #8
                Originally posted by GaryinCalifornia View Post
                But looking at 40tb (10tb of Seagate Ironwolf HHDs) with 1 tb of SSD for cache.
                I've spent 20+ years in content development working with a variety of Macs and PCs, and the number one drive that consistently failed over all other brands has been Seagate. ( the last drive I had that failed on me was a 6TB Segate enterprise drive, that was supplied by our IT department against my wishes. I wanted Western Digital RED NAS PRO drives, but IT cheaped out bought a set of Seagate enterprise drives instead )

                The only drives I've been buying for the past 10 years has been Western Digital, and so far I have not had any WD drive fail on me.

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                  #9
                  I also had several Seagate discs gone bust over the years and so far WD has been very reliable. Currently running WD Red in my Qnap.

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                    #10
                    I've always had WD drives too..

                    Yes looking at the little brother the TVS-472XT-PT-4G with 2 FREE NVMe 500GB M.2 Bundle

                    So Samsung vs WD Blue SSD's?

                    Gee getting old... forgot who... but someone had the WD Blue 2tb SSD for $223 bucks each...

                    Going that route and thinking on that too... using proxies to do my cutting and then on or close to the final cut. Switch over the 4k files.

                    Just have to see if the place I've been talking to can get the SSDs for the above price. Since no one else is offering the 2 free NVMe's for cache. The unit itself is the same price and for 150 bucks they'll put it all together and make sure it all works so you have no issues when setting it up.

                    lol I've never had good luck putting computer stuff together. I guess its not in my skill set...
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                      #11
                      Love love love my QNAP (TVS-871T w/ 8x WD RED Pro). Had it running for almost 3 years now with up to 4 computers hooked up via Thunderbolt and 10G Ethernet. Very cost effective and plenty fast for 4K ProRes. Zelin is the guy you want to listen to.
                      Last edited by Nate Haustein; 06-27-2019, 06:48 PM.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Nate Haustein View Post
                        Love love love my QNAP (TVS-871T w/ 8x WD RED Pro). Had it running for almost 3 years now with up to 4 computers hooked up via Thunderbolt and 10G Ethernet. Very cost effective and plenty fast for 4K ProRes. Zelin is the guy you want to listen to.
                        I wonder if the QNAP TVS-872XT has replaced it since I see no TVS 871T listed...

                        The 872 has 8 bays and it too comes with the 1tb of ssd's for cache.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheDingo View Post
                          I've spent 20+ years in content development working with a variety of Macs and PCs, and the number one drive that consistently failed over all other brands has been Seagate. ( the last drive I had that failed on me was a 6TB Segate enterprise drive, that was supplied by our IT department against my wishes. I wanted Western Digital RED NAS PRO drives, but IT cheaped out bought a set of Seagate enterprise drives instead )

                          The only drives I've been buying for the past 10 years has been Western Digital, and so far I have not had any WD drive fail on me.
                          I agree. When possible I choose HGST drives and drop back to WD RED when price is an issue. If it was me, I'd look at a FreeNAS Mini or build myself a FreeNAS server. I've been using their software on servers that I've built for years and nothing but good things to say. If you build one, use NVME drives for the cache or don't use a cache, you may not need it at all. Use a 10GBe to Thuderbolt adapter and direct connect with a crossover cable.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Cary Knoop View Post
                            You need a NAS if more than one computer access your files at the same time. If you are only using one computer you are wasting money.
                            I went with a NAS (Synology) as it was actually a bit cheaper than going with any of the decent RAID DASes... but also because I wanted to put it in a closet as far from my desk as possible as I canít stand the rumble of spinning drives anymore. Canít do that with Thunderbolt. Getting 500mb/s via 10GbE over Cat 5e cables. Which is as fast as my USB-C connected SSD drive. Seems like itís slower when copying smaller files though. Should have gone with an SSD cache drive instead of 6 HDDs maybe.

                            Iím hoping to be able to also put files for client downloads etc on it once Iíve figured out how thatís done. And have put all the videos Iíve made on it and can now watch them on my Apple TV without having to turn on a computer.

                            Itís been a bit of work and itís not using native Mac file system, which is at times annoying. And in my case it was a bit of a fiddle getting 10GbE going.

                            If you are just one person and donít mind the noise of HDDs close by Iíd say a Pegasus RAID or something that can be formatted in a Mac format will give you both less grief and better performance though.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Greg_E View Post
                              I agree. When possible I choose HGST drives and drop back to WD RED when price is an issue.
                              Western Digital bought HGST and seems to be rebranding lines that were HGST as Western Digital. The 14TB Ultrastar is not HGST anymore but Western Digital. I'm hoping it's still made in the same facilities that manufactured HGST drives. It's also impossible to find new 10TB HGST drives anymore. I think they've stopped shipping them.

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