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Originally posted by NorBro View PostAlmost their entire campaign for the new studio cameras consists of staged events. lol
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Thanks NorBro and PeterC....we've been busy with end of year school reports here etc...but really need to make a decision now on this camera...just need to lock something in before budget is lost!
So what would you buy in our shoes??
Summary Requirements:
To film stage events and mini productions.
Must be easy/quick/simple..
XLR inputs and easy monitoring of audio on camera. (A teacher recently used an existing cam...horrible clipping..blown out audio..wrecked)
Clean HDMI Out
1080P is fine...
Good image...even in slightly dark conditions (Halls etc.)
In this Doc I have thrown in the current choices I've found...
But in short:
Canon XA50 or XA 55 - $2950 to $3500 AUD - 2 x XLR...
Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K 1 x XLR - $2500 - can use existing EF batteries + our EF lenses
Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro 2 x XLR ... $3140...existing EF lenses
or maybe one of these Sony Cameras?
A Canon better than the XA55?Sony PXW-Z150 Sony PXW-Z90V
We can probably go up to around $5000 Australian.
What would you buy?
My concern re: Canon is the picture quality......our current Canon XA30 versus our Canon DSLR is absolutely no comparison in image quality..the DSLR's destroy it in terms of PQ...Canon is soft..muddy..horrible...
Here is comparison doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=680807511
Thanks for any final thoughts...
We just want to turn on the camera...point at target..press record...and have clean audio...with some basic focus and monitoring...Last edited by Mavoz; 12-01-2021, 04:05 PM.
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Any decision you're going to make is going to have some sort of conflict (besides using 32-bit float point recording which there is no clipping).
In short, Blackmagics will provide you the best quality by far but will be the toughest to use as everything is manual. And you'll need to run a preamp or mixer with the Pockets and you can't easily control audio levels while you're recording with them. (Did you read what I mentioned about AF? It's unusable unless you're okay with the image pulsing in and out during your productions for a few seconds.)
The Canon camcorders will have the audio control you're looking for (although not ideal) and have easier handling and AF, but the smaller sensors fall apart in any low-light and will overall have worse quality compared to mirrorless' like you've discovered.
C200 would be an excellent choice but it's only worth it if you're shooting RAW (which would definitely be overkill).
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There is no easy decision here because you're asking for too much and the Japanese know better than to give us everything in one camera. You'll have to let go of something...XLRs, low-light, AF, IQ, etc...
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Originally posted by NorBro View PostAny decision you're going to make is going to have some sort of conflict (besides using 32-bit float point recording which there is no clipping).
In short, Blackmagics will provide you the best quality by far but will be the toughest to use as everything is manual. And you'll need to run a preamp or mixer with the Pockets and you can't easily control audio levels while you're recording with them. (Did you read what I mentioned about AF? It's unusable unless you're okay with the image pulsing in and out during your productions for a few seconds.)
The Canon camcorders will have the audio control you're looking for (although not ideal) and have easier handling and AF, but the smaller sensors fall apart in any low-light and will overall have worse quality compared to mirrorless' like you've discovered.
C200 would be an excellent choice but it's only worth it if you're shooting RAW (which would definitely be overkill).
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There is no easy decision here because you're asking for too much and the Japanese know better than to give us everything in one camera. You'll have to let go of something...XLRs, low-light, AF, IQ, etc...
what about those Sony cameras? ie.
Sony PXW-Z150
Sony PXW-Z90V
talking with our tech here....we're actually starting to wonder if we push for 2 cameras...
One more expensive general purpose...give us auto...audio monitoring etc...
something like the Sony above...
And then a BlackMagic for our backup...B Camera...
I would have thought the audio monitoring wasn't terrible on the Black Magic? ie. it looks like it has clear levels...but maybe you have to touch the screen to adjust?
Thanks!
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I don't know anything about those Sonys so I really can't offer any advice on them, but if you're going to get two cameras then I'd recommend getting the same model. It's not a guarantee they will match but will likely match more closely than two other models, even from a similar family.
The Blackmagics have sliders, but do you really want to be monitoring your levels by touching your camera screen during production?
Auto audio levels in camcorders usually work pretty good but aren't bulletproof.
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Originally posted by Mavoz View PostThanks NorBro and PeterC....we've been busy with end of year school reports here etc...but really need to make a decision now on this camera...just need to lock something in before budget is lost!
So what would you buy in our shoes??
My concern re: Canon is the picture quality......our current Canon XA30 versus our Canon DSLR is absolutely no comparison in image quality..the DSLR's destroy it in terms of PQ...Canon is soft..muddy..horrible...
Here is comparison doc:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=680807511
Thanks for any final thoughts...
We just want to turn on the camera...point at target..press record...and have clean audio...with some basic focus and monitoring...
Last edited by Peter C.; 12-02-2021, 02:25 PM.
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He could record ProRes LT in any of them (external recorder for the studios), and since he's interested in HD, the space for it would actually be less than the 100mbps available in most of today's consumer/prosumer 4K cameras...so it would ironically still work out in his favor and the files would be 10-bit.
In short, file sizes are rarely worried about because of the many choices the cameras provide you (including compressed RAW options).
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Thanks again...I was thinking we'd just set the cameras to 1080p...4K is just a nuisance for our workflow...and certainly don't want massive files...but the lack of good auto focus is a factor...
Today I used our Canon XA30 on a live stream...it did the job..but the picture quality was really bad...very fake looking colours...might have to see if I can tweak it somehow...
also the tiny audio level controls were very fiddly...
But it did do the job..the auto focus actually worked well....and I could get audio into the camera...
just sent the audio from the mixing desk to my Mix Pre...then via a Rode Wireless transmitter straight to the camera...30 metres near the front of the room...certainly way better audio than straight out of the camera...
On Monday for a graduation we'll try our existing 80d's as a B camera..but have to run that in manual focus to deal with the non clean HDMI...
We're continuing to look into what cameras might do the job in that $3 to $6K range...
Thanks!
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Only push AF, no useable continuous AF - but other than that it is a tried and true workhouse.
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But do you really need AF for the stage? Most professionals would focus once and leave it on manual. Sometimes there are trickier situations with larger sensors and fast lenses, but f/4-ish with a wider lens and a small chip would have 90% of your area in focus.
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Originally posted by NorBro View PostOnly push AF, no useable continuous AF - but other than that it is a tried and true workhouse.
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But do you really need AF for the stage? Most professionals would focus once and leave it on manual. Sometimes there are trickier situations with larger sensors and fast lenses, but f/4-ish with a wider lens and a small chip would have 90% of your area in focus.
We'll get one 'normal' video camera like a Sony NX100
https://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.c...xcam-camcorder
But for the second camera...does anyone have any thoughts on either:
A.) Panasonic GH5 mkii with optional XLR adaptor
B.) Black magic Studio Pro 6K
Am starting to lean towards the Panasonic GH5 mkii with one of the 'kit' lenses:
https://www.camerahouse.com.au/panas...-system-camera
I believe this does actually have auto focus..and then the XLR inputs with the :
https://www.panasonic.com/au/consume...dmw-xlr1e.html
Would you go GH5 mkii with Panasonic Lens...or Blackmagic in our context??
Thanks! Nearly done!
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