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    Panasonic 4K Consumer Camera

    It's not a pro camera but at least it's something new. The rep calls it a "proof of concept prototype" so this is probably a shell of a camera with the new 4K sensor.

    http://nofilmschool.com/2013/01/pana...er-camera-ces/

    http://www.videomaker.com/videonews/...s-best-of-show

    I hope to see something good come from Panasonic and MFT at NAB this year.

    Last edited by Erik Naso; 01-19-2013, 11:51 AM.
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    #2
    We are really getting in to the era of ultra high definition so I'm hopeful the next MFT camera is 2,5 or 4k.

    I mean, you can get an 4K processor in their taking no space and costing no money really.
    Look at Gopro that has 4k and 15fps, soo close.
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      #3
      What was the media it records to? SDHC?

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        #4
        I have no idea. I dont think it has one. It's more like a plastic shell with a lens just to show off a 4K camera that they may make. If Panasonic gets enough buzz then maybe they will go ahead and produce something. That's my opinion only.
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          #5
          That's really interesting. I wonder what the deal is with the sensor... It looks like they're on the right track making 4K accessible but I wonder when it is going to hit and I wonder if they have any plans for a 4K cinema camera. Cool stuff.

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            #6
            This is what they showed at the last NAB.

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              #7
              I saw a Toshiba 4K monitor that was paired up with a RED 4K Cinema box ... the image
              was jaw-dropping.

              This is about the time in the game that Panasonic would drop something in the 4K space.
              I would be quite surprised if it would be in the SDHC format though .. We've got some
              4K cameras and they blow out some serious datarates .. so I would expect something in
              the SSD space.

              Even with AVC Ultra, I think the 4K was near 500mb/s .. so that will blow out SD.

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                #8
                Make the AF4k MFT and get someone in Panny that can design a decent body design. 12+ stops and costs $15,000-16,000. Then Panny will reign again.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by dustylense View Post
                  Make the AF4k MFT and get someone in Panny that can design a decent body design. 12+ stops and costs $15,000-16,000. Then Panny will reign again.
                  +1, yup couldn't agree more. And do away with any external recorder.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jmarkham View Post
                    I saw a Toshiba 4K monitor that was paired up with a RED 4K Cinema box ... the image
                    was jaw-dropping.

                    This is about the time in the game that Panasonic would drop something in the 4K space.
                    I would be quite surprised if it would be in the SDHC format though .. We've got some
                    4K cameras and they blow out some serious datarates .. so I would expect something in
                    the SSD space.

                    Even with AVC Ultra, I think the 4K was near 500mb/s .. so that will blow out SD.

                    jeff
                    I went to the Red party last year at NAB and they had several 4K monitors showing Red footage. Wow! More impressive than 3D as far as tech goes. AVC Ultra was designed for 4K so I would think we will see a P2 format for internal capture.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Erik Naso View Post
                      I went to the Red party last year at NAB and they had several 4K monitors showing Red footage. Wow! More impressive than 3D as far as tech goes. AVC Ultra was designed for 4K so I would think we will see a P2 format for internal capture.
                      I remember the little video that Panny had pumping Ultra last year at NAB, and yes - I think you're right that it was via P2. Last year was talk. This year hopefully they'll deliver with something real.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by dustylense View Post
                        Make the AF4k MFT and get someone in Panny that can design a decent body design. 12+ stops and costs $15,000-16,000. Then Panny will reign again.
                        That would be the same price-point as the Scarlet with the Dragon sensor ( rumored price-point ).

                        If Panasonic does come out with a 4k product, I would much prefer it to be at the S35 sensor size rather
                        than the MFT sensor size.

                        Granted, it's not *that* big of a difference. But, when you're mixing and matching cameras, having to account
                        for varying cropping factors is an undesired complication.

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                          #13
                          Can you/could you retain a M43 lens mount design with an s35 sensor? Or would it require a change in mounts to utilize s35 sensor?

                          Because if you had an S35 sensor with M43 mount, it would crop a little bit of the S35 sensor... yes? But wouldn't it still give the benefits of the larger sensor (better low light) and even with the crop, reduce the crop factor greatly from the AF100? If this was the case, would 4K still be possible or would it be closer to 3K? Not that it matters much to me, I don't need 4K resolution...

                          Perhaps the AF100 could be an S35 internal sensor but with a slight bit of a crop factor, retain M43 mount?

                          I'd like to see in an AF200:

                          * M43 mount
                          * 3K resolution. Possible 4K (if possible while retaining M43 mount?)
                          * S35 sensor for lots of lowlight, cropped to around 3K, less of a crop factor (perhaps 1.3-1.5x VS ~2x af100 crop factor).
                          * High FPS (at least 120+ constant, 240+ burst to match GoPro 3 / FS700)
                          * Full 1080P LCD screen, closer to 5" (like many smartphone displays) - for pixel accurate focus, easier viewing - nix need for external monitor
                          * More Codecs (AVC-Intra, record straight to ProRes, possible RAW?) - nix need for external recorder
                          * Better Color Space (at least 4:2:2)
                          * 2 Slot redundant recording for auto backup
                          * More stops of DR, to match or surpass Black Magic Camera
                          * Better highlight handling and other sensor issues
                          * Sub 5K price point
                          Last edited by filmguy123; 01-25-2013, 11:44 PM.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by filmguy123 View Post
                            Can you/could you retain a M43 lens mount design with an s35 sensor? Or would it require a change in mounts to utilize s35 sensor?

                            Because if you had an S35 sensor with M43 mount, it would crop a little bit of the S35 sensor... yes? But wouldn't it still give the benefits of the larger sensor (better low light) and even with the crop, reduce the crop factor greatly from the AF100? If this was the case, would 4K still be possible or would it be closer to 3K? Not that it matters much to me, I don't need 4K resolution...

                            Perhaps the AF100 could be an S35 internal sensor but with a slight bit of a crop factor, retain M43 mount?

                            I'd like to see in an AF200:

                            * M43 mount
                            * 3K resolution. Possible 4K (if possible while retaining M43 mount?)
                            * S35 sensor for lots of lowlight, cropped to around 3K, less of a crop factor (perhaps 1.3-1.5x VS ~2x af100 crop factor).
                            * High FPS (at least 120+ constant, 240+ burst to match GoPro 3 / FS700)
                            * Full 1080P LCD screen, closer to 5" (like many smartphone displays) - for pixel accurate focus, easier viewing - nix need for external monitor
                            * More Codecs (AVC-Intra, record straight to ProRes, possible RAW?) - nix need for external recorder
                            * Better Color Space (at least 4:2:2)
                            * 2 Slot redundant recording for auto backup
                            * More stops of DR, to match or surpass Black Magic Camera
                            * Better highlight handling and other sensor issues
                            * Sub 5K price point
                            ...and then...you wake up. ;)
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                              #15
                              I dont need 4K for the work I do however with the trend of the manufactures developing 4K monitors and showing them off at CES this year I think it's going to be tough for them to keep developing HD cameras. This is a business and if consumers get all excited about 4K then they will make it and the pro gear will be 4K as well. The Sony F3 is one of my favorite for IQ. I dont like the ergonomics of it. Sony left the F3 alone and didn't update it. They jumped right into new 4K cameras. A 4K MFT sensor would be amazing. So many lenses can be used with adapters the choices are endless. But I digress. I would be happy with a 4:2:2 internal recording and updated sensor......and then...I woke up.
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