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    #46
    keep in mind that anyone who wants scope aspect 1:2.39 or 1:2.35 (and who isn't lucky enough to have as set of anamorphics) will be cropping in on 1080p.
    This means you will need to go wider than you would expect. Shooting at 18mm means you would move to something like 15mm.
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      #47
      Originally posted by Barry_Green View Post
      Exactly agreed. For a true wide, the 14mm f/2.5 looks like the lens to consider.
      You can, of course, try to get yourself a 9.8 mm Tge Kinoptik lens. It has fixed focus from here to eternity and f stop 1.8 if I remember it right. And there is a version with PL mount.

      Lots of shots in "Clockwork Orange" have been done with that lens. Definitely all the ones that made you feel dizzy.
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        #48
        I'm concerened that there might be focusing issues both with the Tokina 11-16 and the Olympus 11-22 (which otherwise seem like good candidates covering useful wide ranges).

        The Tokina apparently accesses its manual focus by pulling the focus ring towards the camera body. Does it lock it this position? My concern is that if it doesn't lock into manual focus mode that when using a follow focus with the lens that the focus ring could slip out of manual focus and become disengaged. Anyone have experience with this?

        The Olympus concern centers around the fact that manual focus on this lens is "by wire", and according to reviews quite imprecise and mushy. Any knowledge about this?

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          #49
          Originally posted by dop16mm View Post
          If You've ever read American Cinematographer Magazine, you'll see that most every shot in every movie you see is 25mm or longer. 18mm is typically the widest standard lens. The prime kits do go down to 12mm but lenses that wide are a speciality item. 10mm on a movie really stands out, there are only a handful of shots in Hollywood history that have used it, and if you saw it, you knew it.
          Exactly right. 25mm or 18mm is really the standard ground floor.

          Interesting fact, the Gilliam film Fear and Loathing shot by Pecorini used ultra-wide angle lenses to emphasize the drug induced Vegas binge Johnny Depp and Benicio Del Toro's characters experience. The extremely wide angle lenses offer an aesthetic to the film that stands out from standard cinema. To quote American Cinematographer article "Gonzo Filmmaking" from April 1998:
          ...For the balance of the film, however, Pecorini shot with Zeiss Standard Speed prime lenses. ...In terms of specific lens choices, Pecorini indulged Gilliam's preference for wide angles through-out the shoot. "I'd say that we shot 95 percent of the film with 10mm, 12mm or 14mm lenses; that was our primary range! Sometimes I would check the shot and say, 'This is 16mm,' and Terry would look at me and joke, 'Are you nuts? That's telephoto!' We were sometimes literally shooting with a 12mm lens three inches away from Johnny Depp's nose."
          - Nicola Pecorini
          If you've ever seen the film, these wide angle lenses do stick out almost every scene and add a 'strange' aesthetic to the story and visuals.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Barry_Green View Post
            But if worse comes to worst, yes, there's a solution on the market today that would let you use the Tokina (or any aperture-ring-less lens) on the AF100 right now.
            Ah, the Nikon mount Tokina or the Canon mount tokina? im guessing you mean nikon..
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              #51
              LMAO!!! 5d Moire II

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                #52
                Originally posted by Barry_Green View Post
                Yes, look for any "Nikon G" adapter for m4/3. Rainbowimaging makes one. They're cheap, but they're manual control, so ... for a budget they're available now. I don't know if it actually lets you set the f-stop you want, or if it just closes the iris down and you decide that the image looks good at that point? Haven't used one.

                I have a "Nikon G" from Rainbowimaging and it's OK. it controls the Iris with Mechanic ring, so you can open and close it on any Nikon fit lens but you can't see the actual F stop number.
                but you can close and open Iris during a shot, because after short practice you can control it smoothly, unlike most on lens iris rings.
                Last edited by Barry_Green; 10-26-2010, 08:09 AM.

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                  #53
                  Wow I earned a sticky, cool, you guys made my day If only I could put down a pre-order to prove my theories come New Years. Alas feed the kids and house payments come first. If all goes well a project will be financed by summer and one will be coming home.
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                    #54
                    Originally posted by dop16mm View Post
                    Wow I earned a sticky, cool, you guys made my day If only I could put down a pre-order to prove my theories come New Years. Alas feed the kids and house payments come first. If all goes well a project will be financed by summer and one will be coming home.
                    just put it on the credit card! come on be a man. real men have massive debt.

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                      #55
                      I personally need wider than 20mm for

                      - Videoclip
                      - Documentary
                      - Verry small place run and gun, when you cant just frame everything you need whit a 35mm
                      - Special shot
                      - Inside cars
                      - Extreme sports

                      So i need to have this option right in my bag. Now i just dont know what to pick up.

                      - Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm f/4.0 ( dam its slow but dam its wide ! )

                      Since i want to shoot street shot at night in busy city street ( Spoiler, like in japan ) you think that whit the the correct AF100 iso set-up whit this f4 lens i can put something up ?

                      Because we can see how it perfrom in day in this philip bloom test http://vimeo.com/16129196
                      But what about night ? at f4 ....
                      Maybe the elevator at 0.26 ?
                      Last edited by Julienmassie; 10-26-2010, 06:17 PM.
                      Sorry im not really good in english

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Julienmassie View Post
                        I personally need wider than 20mm for

                        - Videoclip
                        - Documentary
                        - Verry small place run and gun, when you cant just frame everything you need whit a 35mm
                        - Special shot
                        - Inside cars
                        - Extreme sports

                        So i need to have this option right in my bag. Now i just dont know what to pick up.

                        - Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm f/4.0 ( dam its slow but dam its wide ! )

                        Since i want to shoot street shot at night in busy city street ( Spoiler, like in japan ) you think that whit the the correct AF100 iso set-up whit this f4 lens i can put something up ?

                        Because we can see how it perfrom in day in this philip bloom test http://vimeo.com/16129196
                        But what about night ? at f4 ....
                        Maybe the elevator at 0.26 ?
                        $20 says using the 20mm will be wide enough for you.

                        But, that being said, a nikon adapter and the token 11-16mm f2.8 is just the ticket you want.

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                          #57
                          Honest question: do people not bother buying/using camera mounted lights anymore? Seems like if used properly - even held off camera by someone else - they could really make a difference...

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by TheReverend View Post
                            $20 says using the 20mm will be wide enough for you.

                            But, that being said, a nikon adapter and the token 11-16mm f2.8 is just the ticket you want.
                            And of course there is no x1,9 factor ? Like its not a 22-32mm on the AF100 ...

                            '' The Tokina AF 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X Pro DX is currently offered for Canon and Nikon APS-C DSLRs only ''

                            Because its a APS-C ...
                            Last edited by Julienmassie; 10-26-2010, 10:09 PM.
                            Sorry im not really good in english

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Julienmassie View Post
                              And of course there is no x1,9 factor ? Like its not a 22-32mm on the AF100 ...
                              Lol. Sorry that was the tokina 11-16mm. Stupid text correction.

                              Seriously though, the rest of this thread talks about how filmmakers don't really ever shoot wider than about 15-20mm, and that is assuming same size sensor as AF100. Basically if you are used to 35mm photo camera wide, you aren't gonna get that wide with this camera. But industry standard for film isn't that wide of FOV either, so it shouldn't be too much of a fuss. AF100 is basically identical size to film. This is a good thing!!!

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                                #60
                                Yea but i have several client that LOVES WIDE ANGLES
                                Like i said before, im supposed to

                                - Shoot a music video this summer ( hip-hop ) and the performer ABSOLUTELY want to see himself rap downtown during night and in some club whit a pretty huge wide angle effect. And its a serious projet, the wide lens will easely pay itself right here.
                                - A snowboard film next winter ( i want the option to go pretty wide if i need it, and not look stupid like ... you know in my short film and corporative work i dont use this type of lens so now ... i dont have it sorry ... )
                                - Some people who talk in the car during a road trip ( i dont have big rig to set-up the car outside de car, its a doc, not a commercial ).

                                So thats my anwser the the main thread discussion.
                                Last edited by Julienmassie; 10-26-2010, 10:15 PM.
                                Sorry im not really good in english

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