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  • Imamacuser
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    I was at a different building when I guessed a max focal length of 300mm, but now that I've run a test in the conference room, I'd like to recommend a camcorder with a max focal length of around 500mm. Evan though I own APS-C cameras, I think of focal length in 35mm full frame equivalence.

    The conference room has Vaddio PTZ cameras, but for larger events, we might need a different camera angle, better quality, and the instantaneous tactile granular control of a camera on a tripod.

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  • morgan_moore
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    I didn’t. I think pro Av on YouTube demo that on the 405 - I’d guess the performance is similar- ie good.

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  • Bassman2003
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    Morgan, when you handled the XF605, did you happen to engage the digital zoom? If shooting in HD it can go to 30x which is a lot. But only useful if the transition is smooth from optical to digital. That would be the deciding point for me.

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  • jmone
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    .... There is also the TL-U58 1.5x teleconverter available for the Canon if you need the extra reach. I looked at that pretty hard for my Canon XF400 but never did press the button before going down the FX6 route.

    I really liked the all in one package of the XF but found (if you care) that the reception I got with the Camcorder was "Do people still use these old video cameras" and then they would drool over the guy next to me with his BM Pocket ....

    If it is going to be mostly used in the big conference room, how about a PTZ for that and a single Camcorder for the 2nd?

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  • morgan_moore
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    Originally posted by Doug Jensen View Post
    morgan_moore

    Newer doesn't always mean better. My S1H is more than a year older than my FX6 and still looks better. My FS7 is probably 5 years older than the FX6 and still looks better in all but the lowest light levels.
    Indeed but canon are on a bit of a roll at the moment. Im not a fan boy but thats how it is this year.

    On age - I think my 2008 ex1 is good. So the op could consider three of them!

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  • Doug Jensen
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    No kidding. I never said anything to the contrary. I just offered up a different set of numbers that I (and many others who have S35 cameras can relate to better). Never said your numbers were wrong.
    For future reference, I also relate to Fahrenheit better than Celsius and dollars instead of Euros.

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  • NorBro
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    Originally posted by Doug Jensen View Post

    That's FF. I still relate to things best in terms of super35mm.
    The Sony is 18.2mm and the Canon is 15.36mm. So, less than a 3mm difference.

    I agree with Sam that it would be great to have the two cameras in the same room for a shoot out. If someone can get Canon to send me a XF605 for a week I would be happy to put them through their paces to see how they compare.
    Huh?

    It doesn't matter what you relate them to; those are the numbers from the cameras' brochures from the people who make the cameras.

    If you feel more comfortable doing the math with S35 then you're welcome to do so, but it's the same difference only written in different numbers depending on the comparison to the sensor size.

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  • Doug Jensen
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    morgan_moore

    Newer doesn't always mean better. My S1H is more than a year older than my FX6 and still looks better. My FS7 is probably 5 years older than the FX6 and still looks better in all but the lowest light levels.

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  • Doug Jensen
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    The Sony is 30.3 and the Canon is 25.5.)
    That's FF. I still relate to things best in terms of super35mm.
    The Sony is 18.2mm and the Canon is 15.36mm. So, less than a 3mm difference.

    I agree with Sam that it would be great to have the two cameras in the same room for a shoot out. If someone can get Canon to send me a XF605 for a week I would be happy to put them through their paces to see how they compare.

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  • morgan_moore
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    canons.JPGthis is a picture of the canon 605 vs my r6 with a '24-105' - it is significantly wider - some numbers are off. this is excellent for a doc camera like the op might not want.
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  • NorBro
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    The Sony is 30.3 and the Canon is 25.5.

    On the long end, the Sony is 515 and the Canon is 382.5. (Adding that because it's not 300mm as the OP kind of alluded to.)

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  • morgan_moore
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    it depend what the camera is needed for
    https://pro.sony/en_GB/products/hand...block-pxw-z280

    the sony has a '30'mm lens ffeqiv.. the canon is closer to 24 or wider (we tested it)

    maybe the listed spec is wrong

    I (that is me) would want to use a camera of this nature in tight spaces like cars .. and '30mm' is useless.. at confrences it is a different story.

    As for the low light canon has 1in sensor and is three years newer.. im guessing not so sad in the dark

    As for the A/F the canon is like any modern canon, which is the 2nd gen of usable.

    Really one would need side by side testing to ones own needs. But the canon does feel very good in the hand and that is coming from an office that has fs7 and z90 - that both feel thier age compared to 2020 canons (we have r5, r6, c200)

    eidt it does sound like the OP wants long not wide.






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  • Doug Jensen
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    Originally posted by Imamacuser View Post
    I just did a quick test in the room where the camera will be used the most, and I don't think 300mm will be enough, 500mm would be better, as the old NX5U goes all the way to 590mm.

    I'm looking at these 1" sensor camcorders due to their zoom range.
    Are you talking 500mm in terms of super35mm or full-frame?

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  • Doug Jensen
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    Originally posted by morgan_moore View Post
    AFAIK the main reason you cannot have a z280 is the lens is not wide enough
    Are you sure about that?

    Unless my calculations are wrong, in terms of Super35mm, the Z280 is roughly 18mm-309mm and the XF605 is roughly 16mm-240mm. Do really think 2mm on the wide end is really going to make a difference? However on the telephoto end (probably more important for capturing conferences from the back of the room) the Z280 beats the Canon by 30%,

    Also worth noting, the Z280 can hold f/2.8 throughout the entire range of zoom with no ramping. The Canon ramps from f/2.8 to f/4.5. That's more than a full stop darker than the Sony.

    The Z280 is amazing in low-light with a native ISO of 2000. I don't know what the Canon offers, but it'd have to be more than 4000 just to keep up due to the f/4.5 aperture.

    Plus the Sony has Variable ND.

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  • Imamacuser
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    I just did a quick test in the room where the camera will be used the most, and I don't think 300mm will be enough, 500mm would be better, as the old NX5U goes all the way to 590mm.

    I'm looking at these 1" sensor camcorders due to their zoom range.

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