How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

[NorBro]

Yes middle of nowhere in Indy! I guess the demand for a non Phase AF camera is pretty high!

Yup, apparently all new cameras. People love and buy cameras.

This one is loaded and too cheap to ignore and as a result it's become a #1 seller...something I did not predict. [If data is accurate.]

[Zim]

Ordered mine and will trade my GH5 and keep my GH5S. Continuous autofocus of no concern to me as I do not use. I do use touch focus though that has worked great on the GH5 and GH5S . Availability says March 14 but do not believe until it turns up.

I'm trading my GH3 in!!

[Ron Evans]

Yes middle of nowhere in Indy! I guess the demand for a non Phase AF camera is pretty high!

Ordered mine and will trade my GH5 and keep my GH5S. Continuous autofocus of no concern to me as I do not use. I do use touch focus though that has worked great on the GH5 and GH5S . Availability says March 14 but do not believe until it turns up.

[Zim]

If cameras continue to roll out how they have been the last two years, it will likely depend on where you're getting it from.

If you didn't preorder from B&H within the first hour or so, you might see it in the middle of the summer.

But on the other end of the spectrum, some local brick-and-mortars in the middle of nowhere might have an extra unit laying around.

Yes middle of nowhere in Indy! I guess the demand for a non Phase AF camera is pretty high!

[Zim]

I pre-ordered on BH & Amazon in the first 60 seconds to make sure I get it day 1.

BH doesn't have an ETA but their rebate offer for pre-order ends 3/25, and Panasonic on their livestream said the camera is available "Mid march" (which probably means late March). Meanwhile, my Amazon delivery date currently reads 3/29.

The rebate offer is a good deal.

[filmguy123]

Is the color Red in GH's still kinda leaning toward orange-red, than pure red?

Just an FYI - CineMatch can transform quite effectively most popular cameras to other colorspace now and works very well. I appreciate when I like the camera color out of box but at this stage it doesn’t actually matter much anymore if you’re shootings for yourself. I can buy a Sony and make it Panasonic color or vice versa. I can buy a GH6 and make it GH5S color or vice versa. I wouldn’t shop too much on that if you’re in control of your footage…. Personally.

[wwjd]

Is the color Red in GH's still kinda leaning toward orange-red, than pure red?

[filmguy123]

I was told the GH6 will ship in April.

I pre-ordered on BH & Amazon in the first 60 seconds to make sure I get it day 1.

BH doesn't have an ETA but their rebate offer for pre-order ends 3/25, and Panasonic on their livestream said the camera is available "Mid march" (which probably means late March). Meanwhile, my Amazon delivery date currently reads 3/29.

[DLD]

Meh, I don't disagree their footage isn't anything special. But their footage also doesn't represent the best of what can be done with a GH6 by a long shot...

Correct and, once again, correct. Their typical video is Chris shooting stills outside with Jordan shooting Chris shooting stills outside. In manual. Because Chris isn't on a Pogo stick and Jordan isn't shooting 16 mm F..95. In other words, the distance is set, the lighting is from G-d and their video look is the video look. Which is great if all one snaps is someone fishing or eating cereal. But most want to see more demanding sequences.

PS. A friend has Nikon D7200. And he's a Foosball aficionado, plays it himself very well. Recently he posted a whole bunch of stills taken at a tournament. The tournament is held at some bar, w/ mixed lighting and all sorts of practicals and impracticals in the frame. Including the reflection from beer mugs. He says, "I got to shoot Raw because I constantly have to push/pull the image".

I think he may as well have used a smartphone but he's being nice to people and they appreciate it. But the camera is having a really hard time.

[NorBro]

If cameras continue to roll out how they have been the last two years, it will likely depend on where you're getting it from.

If you didn't preorder from B&H within the first hour or so, you might see it in the middle of the summer.

But on the other end of the spectrum, some local brick-and-mortars in the middle of nowhere might have an extra unit laying around.

[Zim]

I was told the GH6 will ship in April.

[Zim]

I plan on the GH6 and my 12-35 2.8. Probably better than the 12-60 2.8-4 kit lens.

[filmguy123]

Thomas it seems like you’d do really well with a GH6 + 10-25 lens, maybe a 25-50 as well if you use that setup. Wouldn’t be a bad trade from your old glass.

Besides, if one of the main advantages to m43 is small, light, compact then reducing an entire kit down to 1-2 lenses is a pretty sensible way to go anyway. And save the main lens library for larger FF lenses when you don’t need to be so compact.

I’m going to test drive this setup for a while. I may then downsize my m43 lens collection now that I’ve explored it all.

[Thomas Smet]

I've been doing a lot of reading, watching, digging. Lens selection and firmware matters. These AF videos are being tested on everything from a boosted Sigma 18-35 to m43 Olympus glass and old Panasonic lenses. The modern Lumix 10-25 lens has better AF from what I hear, especially on newest firmware. Also you need native Panasonic lenses to get the best performance I read, because it passes the DFD data.

The higher the FPS the better the AF performance. I get it, 24p is very important and so is a wide lens selection - but luckily for *me* at least, I do use a lot of 48p-60p and I do have a Lumix 10-25 so the AF I experience will probably be best case scenario for GH6 and that ain't half bad. I wouldn't choose the camera over a Sony/Canon if I was shopping first for AF, but I'm not (right now at least) and while I won't know until I do tests, if this opens up some new creative possibilities for me I'm happy. And I bet it will, and I bet it will do a pretty solid job for my needs until something better comes along.

And if it doesn't, I know where to find cameras that do, and I'm not limited to having to pick one camera, it's just a matter of if I want to pony up.

The same is true of DPAF on Canon. The cheaper lenses don't work as well as the $2,500 f2.8 zooms or fast L series primes. EF lenses adapted may not perform as fast either and 3rd party lenses from Tamron and Sigma may be slower. I may not be using DPAF on the R6 to its full potential either and yes it does mess up at times as well.

Lenses have motors in them to focus and only the most expensive native manufacture lenses have the best motors. Adapting lenses is awesome and typically works well but there is always some level of speed disadvantage. That was even true of 3rd party EF lenses on EF DSLR bodies. They got significantly better with the more modern lens designs but now its starting all over again with RF. Sigma and Tamron finally had EF all figured out but they have yet to make RF lenses and when they do they may not be as good as the higher end Canon lenses which I cannot afford.

so yes the lens will have a huge impact on how well the AF works on the GH6. Adapting a Sigma 18-35mm which is now a very old 3rd party lens design that isn't even a native EF lens is not going to be spectacular. It never was great on any adapted camera. Plus its older and likely not the best AF motor design out there anymore. If one wants the most accurate AF possible on the GH6 they will need to get a new nicer modern design from Panasonic. Not even Olympus will cut it. It will work fine but don't expect 100% perfection and speed. I sold all my old m43 lenses but maybe was good thing anyway. None of them were ever going to be great for AF on the GH6. None of them worked for dual IS either they were that old.

Maybe someday I will get a l series lens for Canon but not anytime soon. I just have to accept the slower DPAF for now and the occasional missed focus when it drifts off.

On yeah the adapter matters as well. If one absolutely wants to adapt electronic lenses to use on the GH6 at least get the Metabones. Viltrox is nice but their AF is nowhere near as good as Metabones. Speaking of Metabones I'm sure they will need to update the firmware as well to work better with the GH6. So any adapted lens review of the GH6 is likely very flawed right now. We are not even sure yet if thats possible or if the GH6 will need a new SpeedBooster that can perform better with the GH6 AF.

Way too early to pass judgement. What I have seen however I felt was super impressive. Then again I remember what the AF was like on the GH1 and compared to that the AF is mind blowingly superior now on the GH6.

[filmguy123]

Panasonic is not ignoring AF. Thats why they keep trying to make it better. Thats why they put in a ton of work to add AI to help make it better. They are not just sitting there doing nothing.

I watched another video that stated Panasonic lenses will need their firmware updated to take full advantage of the new AF. Are the reviews out there doing that? I don't know. Some reviews are very impressed with the AF. Others find flaws. Perhaps we should wait for the final version of the camera firmware and lenses updated to make the most of it to really judge it.

We need to also be careful to not just assume it sucks because its not phase detect. DFD doesn't have to suck and a lot of times it can do very well. The video that mentioned updating lens firmware shot on the hood of a car using AF through the windshield and it was rock solid with no pulsing. Not sure why that wouldn't be manual focus but it was a test to se if it would work and it did.

I've been doing a lot of reading, watching, digging. Lens selection and firmware matters. These AF videos are being tested on everything from a boosted Sigma 18-35 to m43 Olympus glass and old Panasonic lenses. The modern Lumix 10-25 lens has better AF from what I hear, especially on newest firmware. Also you need native Panasonic lenses to get the best performance I read, because it passes the DFD data.

The higher the FPS the better the AF performance. I get it, 24p is very important and so is a wide lens selection - but luckily for *me* at least, I do use a lot of 48p-60p and I do have a Lumix 10-25 so the AF I experience will probably be best case scenario for GH6 and that ain't half bad. I wouldn't choose the camera over a Sony/Canon if I was shopping first for AF, but I'm not (right now at least) and while I won't know until I do tests, if this opens up some new creative possibilities for me I'm happy. And I bet it will, and I bet it will do a pretty solid job for my needs until something better comes along.

And if it doesn't, I know where to find cameras that do, and I'm not limited to having to pick one camera, it's just a matter of if I want to pony up.