How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

[NorBro]

electronicND and how you would like it to work is only in Sonys. IDK if there are any patents on it, but at the very least there could be a module for other cameras like Z CAM's (would have to be built for the module):

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ule_for_z.html

Canon has the EF ND adapter and Fujifilm makes a point-and-shoot with a one strength ND filter inside it so we're getting closer...

[filmguy123]

Or maybe a GH6S in about 8 months...

Now ya'll didn't think your GH6 wouldn't have company, did you!?

I was wondering if they’d do that, guess we’ll see!

[filmguy123]

I’m going to check out that DJI system, interesting!

I bet the GH7, if it comes, will come closer to 3 years. M43 seems reliant at this point on CPU and processing more than sensor tech as it reaches physical limits. And that is advancing rapidly at the moment, so I could see a Venus engine that is significantly more powerful in just a couple years.

As well this sensor isn’t even stacked or BSI I believe. So a meaningful improvement may only be a few years out, more similar to prior GHx interim times. But i don’t know how much outside of AF is really needed. I mean… 32-bit float, +1 stop ISO and DR would be amazing if they can coax it… even higher frame rates is always a shoe in… true global shutter? My wishlist is pretty short these days. And other stuff, like false color… maybe that could come in a firmware update…

Outside of AF though my number 1 wish for all mirrorlese cameras is built in variable electronic ND that can be controlled digitally and even set to auto to maintain exposure so I can lock my ISO and aperture off. I hear that’s maybe difficult with IBIS too though, but I also hear organic sensors can do it directly on the photo sites.

[NorBro]

Or maybe a GH6S in about 8 months...

Now ya'll didn't think your GH6 wouldn't have company, did you!?

[Peter C.]

So when is someone going to create a new thread titled "How interested are you in a GH7 anymore?"
Then we can start debating whether they will fix the AF in another 6 years from now.

[NorBro]

Panasonic should have been researching and developing something like below.

It wouldn't affect Sony and Canon too much since it's a different solution. And people would have to use cinema lenses with real gears (fake gears slip off most of the time).

DJI's system needs work and you don't have the face/eye/object/animal tracking, but perhaps you could start off with different zones and then eventually a touchscreen interface.

MFT is also the perfect mount for it because of the adaptable cinema lens catalogue.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...us_system.html

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Ironically, in the photo below, they have the system working on a Canon camera that doesn't need it (but they are using a cinema lens so that's why).

DJI 3D Focus.jpg

[filmguy123]

DFD / contrast - if there’s a way to fix the pulsing issue without further hardware I don’t know how. I don’t think so. The system by design has to pulse to find focus, that is how it verifies. So in fact as the mechanism goes quicker it just pulses more. The only solution I can think of would be to do digital trickery where the camera composites comparisons frames on the fly and masks them but it seems that could just create more problems and require serious hardware.

in any case it is my guess on this iteration you will have to live with pulsing. As far as speed and holding focus, I’m not sure. I think that can continue to improve via machine learning and software update, it has so far.

as far as long term, I think it will all get solved, but will almost certainly need a new iteration with new hardware. Panasonic may never get PDAF but they can perhaps invent something new. Like a time of flight sensor, or a second micro lens on the body that performs DFD and distance calculation so the camera doesn’t pulse. Or a new tech not yet invented. It’s just a matter of when IMO.

But from my understanding of the tech, I would expect further speed and stability improvements throughout the GH6 life cycle since that has been par for the course for years now with Panasonic. But I would not expect the pulsing issue to go away, because I can’t think of a way it can be solved in software - at least as far as I underwent how it works. I’d be happy to be wrong.

But for me personally I’ve always used MF and so when I’d use AF it would be in dynamic shots and sparingly so I think it might give me a new little tool to mess with, harder to notice the pulsing when the camera is moving around. And I didn’t think the pulsing is too bad if you aren’t looking for it. But then I also wouldn’t use AF to hold a long static shot like an interview in focus (even though NorBro brings up a good use case for such).

[NorBro]

The regular Joes and Janes who post like one video every 3 months are different.

Or the ones who either get right to it or who don't talk much but just show the results.

I like all kinds of content including the wacky entertainers/vloggers, but I gravitate towards the hands-on people who explain well, even over-explain, how to do things and are doing them while on camera. Those are my kind of videos to really learn screen-to-screen without having access to the hardware (or having access and following along).

[DLD]

Every reviewer is there to do business. And the nature of the beast is that they're not in the reviewing business as much as in a selling business. Their 2%-5% commissions from B&H, Amazon, Adorama and alike add up. So, it's not that the reviews are blatantly dishonest, it's that they're blatantly positive.

"The best Panasonic ever". Well, it actually may be so. But it may not be the best camera under $2,500 ever. Regardless, they're silent about that. Which means that, if you don't read between the lines and infer the unsaid, you may end up DFD'd. Which is always a personal matter.

[NorBro]

Did you see a person's mouth saying those words or did you see samples of the focusing?

From what I have seen, nothing is fixed or usable unless pulsing at any given time is okay.

If pulsing at any given time is okay - or one has the luxury of editing around pulsing like with some music videos where shots could be 20 frames (not even a full second) and there's no specific direction - then that can be usable for that individual.

But, Zim; you want to make films. You sound like you care about making films.

This camera is the complete opposite of a filmmaker's camera when it comes to AF. I highly recommend you turn it off when using it during precious takes if you are serious about making a movie and care about your movie. (If you have a complicated camera movement then that's a different conversation.)

And the difference between Sony and Canon AF and Panasonic AF was explained in this thread. It's how they stay patient and react; not if they lose focus.

[Zim]

better? or actually reliable? not the latter, from what I've heard... I think that AF has to get really, really good before it's even worth considering

I've seen "best AF every from Panasonic", "definitely usable", "they finally fix it", etc. I've seen some good examples. Not perfect but even Sony's are not. Maybe if you do weddings you might want something else. The Gh6 is more of a filmmakers camera.

[filmguy123]

come to accept that... clients... are less attuned to these facets of IQ than I am. hence the wild popularity the fs7 enjoyed...

Hence why I'm not too fussed about any IQ differences between a GH6 and [fill in the blank] anymore, for most viewers they've roughly reached parity and they are far more likely to notice things like composition and content.

[NorBro]

Why not use the komodo? The AF isn't good enough?

When i had a Scarlet, I felt like it was the best color i had ever worked with. Both mixed lighting conditions but also just saturated colors jn bright daylight. The camera never did good business,, though

And I've come to accept that my producers and clients are less attuned to these facets of IQ than I am. hence the wild popularity the fs7 enjoyed...

I'm struggling with figuring out what to do.

I wouldn't trust the AF but it can be passable for the b-roll I need it to be passable for.

The bigger issue I am facing is lens choice and if I want to deal with the Komodo tied up to a gimbal. I'd rather have this camera on standby for everything and have a dedicated gimbal camera.

I really want the 15-35mm and have added and removed it from my cart about 100x, but it is the same price as another camera that I could have which could ultimately prove to be a better investment. Plus, no in-camera corrections worry me a bit although it appears to look okay.

And, yeah...there have been improvements from the Scarlet-X to IPP2 and Log 3G10.

[ahalpert]

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I actually desperately need a gimbal camera for March (more working and less forum talking...I know I'm surprised, too) - and I even started thinking about the Sony a7IV because the auto-focus is just godly (it's better than Canon's - sorry, Canon) - but the color science just does not work for me.

And I say that to see if CineMatch might be able to help with that. lol

Why not use the komodo? The AF isn't good enough?

When i had a Scarlet, I felt like it was the best color i had ever worked with. Both mixed lighting conditions but also just saturated colors jn bright daylight. The camera never did good business,, though

And I've come to accept that my producers and clients are less attuned to these facets of IQ than I am. hence the wild popularity the fs7 enjoyed...

[filmguy123]

I just buy whatever the #1 seller is at b&h then trade it in when there's a new #1

Congrats on your new GH6!!