How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

[NorBro]

I have a PhD in a lot of useless talents...I don't know if that's a good thing. lol

[Peter C.]

As far as that second part you added to your post, that's a good question.

I wouldn't say that very day, every day - but it's updated frequently when there are changes, maybe every few days. Weekly?

But it's also unclear how preorders and cancelled preorders factor into the numbers.

Overall, it's just water cooler talk. It doesn't matter and people will buy whichever camera they want, probably not even at B&H.

I get it. But it sounds like you have a PHD in B&H searches. lol

There are a lot of terms or proclamations when you dig deeper and start to ask what does that really mean you often discover it's not that meaning full. But please continue don't let me spoil your fun.

[NorBro]

Just to conclude, I wanted to show the GH6 some love.

Because if it's truly, accurately #2 based on the information this store is providing us, that's a really great thing for MFT.

Companies want to see their products sell and succeed.

I don't like that it's always Canon and Sony for the stills cameras that shoot video.

[NorBro]

As far as that second part you added to your post, that's a good question.

I wouldn't say that very day, every day - but it's updated frequently when there are changes, maybe every few days. Weekly?

But it's also unclear how preorders and cancelled preorders factor into the numbers.

Overall, it's just water cooler talk. It doesn't matter and people will buy whichever camera they want, probably not even at B&H.

[NorBro]

I don't understand why it would matter what camera is the best seller on B&H. You pick the camera that is best suited for your work. In addition B&H can manipulate the results to benefit sales of certain camera. Cameras can be better sellers for different reasons. Would it be odd that a less expensive camera sell better simply because more people can afford it? Maybe you should run and buy the Canon Rebel because it's a best seller. Or maybe a camera is good both at photography and video so it has double the amount of people who might want to buy it.

We're just chatting, professor. lol

Been doing this like 10 years before your sign up date on the forum.

And, no, it wouldn't be odd at all that a less expensive camera sells better because that's exactly why it sells better!

That's why the Pockets have been on top for 2-3 years before the a7SIII arrived. If B&H wants to manipulate the list, they surely could add something a bit better to make more than a few nickels and dimes off the BM margins.

[NorBro]

By the way, the stickers take a little while to change. (I'm sure the developers have better things to do. lol)

Like in the cine section, it still shows #1 for the Pocket, and the GH6 doesn't even have one yet.

a7SIII has been going back and forth with the Pockets for the last year.

[Peter C.]

I don't understand why it would matter what camera is the best seller on B&H. You pick the camera that is best suited for your work. In addition B&H can manipulate the results to benefit sales of a particular camera. Cameras can be better sellers for different reasons. Would it be odd that a less expensive camera sell better simply because more people can afford it? Maybe you should run and buy the Canon Rebel because it's a best seller. Or maybe a camera is good both at photography and video so it has double the amount of people who might want to buy it. Or a camera like the Sony A7III has been around for many years and is well known and in stock. Best selling under what time period? That very day? Total sales over its entire existence?

[NorBro]

If you're not refreshing it manually, it randomly generates cameras. Check back again tomorrow and you'll see something else.

This is the real order...(top 3 for both).

First for mirrorless cameras in photography, and then for 'digital cine cameras' in professional video. (Note the top-left camera sections. And then find the 'Best Sellers' box below that, which needs to be clicked and changed to something else and then back to 'Best Sellers' again.)

And think about it...why would the a7IV not be #1 right now for photos? #1 sellers are almost always cheaper cameras.

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[DLD]

On the "digital camera bestseller list" - it starts with A7SIII (then R5, R6, A7IV) but then lists A7IV as their "#1 seller", a yellow "sticker" that is also given to Fuji Instant Mini, and Rebel T7.

If I select "mirrorless", it starts with Z9, then A7SIII; then with the faded #1 seller sticker, R5; then with the same faded #1 seller sticker, R6; then with the bright yellow #1 seller sticker, A7IV. Now, considering that Z9 is digital and mirrorless, it looks to be displaced as #1. And the same can be said about A7SIII.

So, it's either an inaccurate list or in wrong order accidentally on purpose. This is often disclosed, as an example, in the KBB car pages. An item that seems to be not exactly fitting the chosen criteria will have a disclaimer, "an advertised item" and so on.

I searched off private browsing with no cache stored.

[filmguy123]

It also looks like VFR is finally fully implemented on GH6, I have been waiting for this *forever*. 4k 10-bit 422/420 high bitrate codecs supporting 36, 40, 42, 48, 72, 96 all internal in a small package like this. EVA1 and GH5 only had VFR in FHD modes and at a crappy codec, couldn't even get it out to Atomos for those odd frames.

[filmguy123]

Yeah from what I've seen the AF on GH6 should be pretty darn good for a lot of scenarios. It will take more know how on when/where/how to use the settings, and some more restrictions.

It's bottom line not going to be as easy, bullet proof, convenient, or robust as other systems and isn't the camera choice for those who prioritize AF. But taking a close look at it, I really think I will be able to make good use of it as an additional, high quality optional tool for a number of scenarios. I wouldn't choose the GH6 if AF was my top concern or I was relying on it as a cornerstone of my workflow. But I am not, so I am pretty well pleased with the AF capabilities as demonstrated thus far since I am prioritizing other things (industry leading IBIS, smallest/lightest quality lens setup on market by a mile, amazing & unmatched internal codecs and performance).

[NorBro]

Yeah, that's the problem...you don't do a new search.

You navigate to a single category that doesn't mix cameras from other sections.

Then you choose something else from the 'drop-down' menu and then choose 'Best Sellers' again and it refreshes and you obtain the same list I wrote above every time you do that (until a camera moves up or down because of more sales).

It's not my opinion; it's how the technology works. Try it.

I'm sharing the right way to do it (again) so you're providing the community accurate information.

[DLD]

You never do it right...we had this convo before..

Nah, it was you and Abe. Five pages ago.

PS. I dialed in a "new search" once on their site.

[Zim]

Was watching another review. Over all positive except when it came to the AF (no surprise). https://youtu.be/xqKTamQm-Vw?t=759
He includes real examples to illustrate where it fails. In a wedding it totally screws up a bride and groom ceremony shot. https://youtu.be/xqKTamQm-Vw?t=794 He also says in low light and contrast situations (that you would find in most night shooting or indoor things like wedding receptions, it's useless, so much so the camera automatically shuts off AFC below a certain exposure.

This guy had to try and make that wedding video look that bad. Why would you turn it to continuous focus and wait for the camera to focus? On any camera. You only have one shot at this at a wedding. I've shot a few wedding and that is not the way to do it. They are both standing in the same spot. Either take it out of continuous AF, half way press the shutter or manual focus.
Maybe he is just trying to get views. I hope he wasn't getting paid.

The GH6 is going to be a great cinema camera and there have been some really good reviews so far on it. Even the AF.

[Peter C.]

I operated on a 4-camera theater shoot last week for the first time in a while. The producer had 2 FX9's, an FX6 and an FX3. (He owns them all except one of the FX9's, which he rented.) I almost got my FX3 in as a rental, but he veered towards another FX9.

Not a type of shooting I have a lot of recent experience with, but it seemed like the eND and AF were very useful. As was the servo zooms on our PZ 28-135's and the IS. All those aspects helped me concentrate on getting smooth shots and pointing the camera in the right place (which ultimately seems like the most important thing).

I think the guy recently started up and invested in gear. To be sure, it's a lot of camera gear to buy at once... but if that shoot was any indication,, I feel like mirrorless cameras lose out for lack of ND

That's a very high end setup. The PZ 28-135 interesting but I'd be leery in theater work. My last shoot I was limited to one location towards the back 90ft away. A setup like that would not have enough reach. I've seen on occasion people using cinema cameras to film theater so I know it's possible. It usually involves multiple camera ops knowing what to do. That can get expensive and tricky finding dependable people who can pull off what's necessary with in a tight budget.

You're right that theater work requires a lot of concentration. You need to understand, and anticipate what going to happen and react quickly in a smooth manner. I prefer cameras with large dof so I can concentrate on panning, zooming and keeping the subject in frame.

I don't want to derail this thread but I do enjoy hearing about other approaches.