How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

[NorBro]

Most of the cameras on the list actually don't have AF.

[Tom Roper]

I think its a bit premature to be judging AF this much. There are AF settings that can be tweaked and we haven't seen a wider range of people using it yet.

It's not premature. I currently own both the GH5 and GH5S as well as a full complement of PanaLeica/Lumix lenses. I've paid for the right to be critical, and I own it. I've been through at least 3 iterations of DFD improvements. CAF (non-pulsing) is long overdue. The fact that the GH6 will still be DFD seems desperate.

[Peter C.]

Most of the cameras on the list actually don't have AF.

I'd imagine the type of people making Netflix movies have a crew with people to pull focus and such. Doesn't strike me as someones first choice to rig up a GH6 on set to shoot a Netflix show. I could see a Canon Cinema line or a Red being used... So it would seem a bit disingenuous to argue AF isn't important in the GH6 because it aspires to be a cinema camera for Netflix. That strikes me more of marketing to sell a mirrorless camera.

[stoneinapond]

…..just doesn't strike me as someones first choice to rig up on set to shoot a Netflix show. I could see a Canon Cinema line or a Red being .

Not every camera on set is an’A’ camera.

[NorBro]

I'm out of touch with who would be making Netflix movies but I'd think like people who actually have a budget and would be using cinema cameras with a crew to pull focus and such. It's not to say you couldn't film with a GH6 because people have used smart phones, it seems like its more suited to solo work that's lower budget. I'm not knocking it, just doesn't strike me as someones first choice to rig up on set to shoot a Netflix show. I could see a Canon Cinema line or a Red being used...

It would seem a bit disingenuous to argue GH is a cinema camera so AF isn't important. It's not to say you should be using CAF, the class of camera it is the AF should be better.

Every time a list comes out from Sundance or others of the most awarded productions/shows, it's like 90% ARRI.

I don't know exactly how one qualifies to make the list (that information might be available, haven't checked), but it seems like there should be more cameras on it based on a few of the approved options.

[NorBro]

Not every camera on set is an’A’ camera.

Yeah, IIRC, I think there was an initiative to approve more cameras that can be rigged and placed in difficult positions.

[The list has been updated slowly. I think we'll see several new cameras in the next few months.]

In some industries, you could just pay to be on a list, but I think here the integrity is founded.

[Peter C.]

Every time a list comes out from Sundance or others of the most awarded productions/shows, it's like 90% ARRI.

I don't know exactly how one qualifies to make the list (that information might be available, haven't checked), but it seems like there should be more cameras on it based on a few of the approved options.

We're on the same page. Panasonic appears to be marketing this camera to people who want to make Netflix content to break into movie making. The people who actually make Netflix content use higher end cinema camera like Arri (I left them out). I wouldn't be surprise the people inside Panasonic have convinced themselves that CAF isn't important because they want to position it as a cinema camera.

[NorBro]

Honestly, I never saw it like that, but I haven't been reading anything about it. [I was just curious to see if the AF improved.]

But...MFT is a very hard sell to anyone interested in making original Netflix content in 2022, I'm sorry to say, and IMO.

[Thomas Smet]

It's not premature. I currently own both the GH5 and GH5S as well as a full complement of PanaLeica/Lumix lenses. I've paid for the right to be critical, and I own it. I've been through at least 3 iterations of DFD improvements. CAF (non-pulsing) is long overdue. The fact that the GH6 will still be DFD seems desperate.

Hey I get it. Why do you think I jumped to a Canon R6. I'm just saying we know little to nothing about the GH6 AF real world performance yet. I just think its too early to make assumptions based on a few very short test shots in one video from a random guy most of us never heard of before.

I also don't see DFD as the horrible thing some people make it out to be. Its great for stills and some systems like Sony use a hybrid system because sometimes DFD does do better. We only have a few more hours to wait and I'm sure DPReview and others have videos all ready to go for our viewing pleasure. This thread will be 268 pages by the end of the week.

[NorBro]

I just think its too early to make assumptions based on a few very short test shots in one video from a random guy most of us never heard of before.

That's your heart speaking...you're a Panasonic OG.

But the hurtful reality is it's not too early.

Because I (many of us) have been watching AF videos for years, and random nobodies have tested Canons and Sonys straight out of the box and they just work well, you know?

Like, yeah, you're right, of course there is a chance some settings and better lenses may help, but I truly doubt they will make a noticeable impact.

The Canons and Sonys aren't perfect, like you always say, but they understand how to focus automatically. They behave how they are supposed to behave. Nice and slow. If they fail, they fail. But then they catch their breath and keep going, nice and slow...

[Zim]

I'd imagine the type of people making Netflix movies have a crew with people to pull focus and such. Doesn't strike me as someones first choice to rig up a GH6 on set to shoot a Netflix show. I could see a Canon Cinema line or a Red being used... So it would seem a bit disingenuous to argue AF isn't important in the GH6 because it aspires to be a cinema camera for Netflix. That strikes me more of marketing to sell a mirrorless camera.

High Flying Bird on Netflix was made with a iPhone. Upstream Color was made with a Gh2. Soderbergh used an iPhone for Unsane. He could use anything. The GH6 will be better than any of those, so why not?

[Zim]

That's your heart speaking...you're a Panasonic OG.

But the hurtful reality is it's not too early.

Because I (many of us) have been watching AF videos for years, and random nobodies have tested Canons and Sonys straight out of the box and they just work well, you know?

Like, yeah, you're right, of course there is a chance some settings and better lenses may help, but I truly doubt they will make a noticeable impact.

The Canons and Sonys aren't perfect, like you always say, but they simply work. They behave how they are supposed to behave.

Nice and slow. If they fail, they fail. But then they catch their breath and keep going, nice and slow...

It wasn't long ago using AF was unprofessional!!

[NorBro]

It wasn't long ago using AF was unprofessional!!

No doubt about it. You would be laughed out of the building and never hired again if you recommended it!

Fortunately, the world has YouTube to make us all smarter people.

[Obviously there's misinformation there as well, but there is misinformation everywhere or we'd be extinct.]

[Peter C.]

Honestly, I never saw it like that, but I haven't been reading anything about it. [I was just curious to see if the AF improved.]

But...MFT is a very hard sell to anyone interested in making original Netflix content in 2022, I'm sorry to say, and IMO.

I heard multiple sources talk about this camera in regards to Netflix. Feels like a marketing narrative that being pushed. I don't think the Pro Res codec was randomly added. At least to me seems like they've cooked up this Netflix angle to sell it. The way they didn't mention the GH6 by name at that annual summit and said something is coming. They must be aware that a M43 isn't going to sell itself against FF so trying create a narrative to turn around sales.

[NorBro]

Oh, true, true.

Then maybe that would make sense actually because Panasonic never markets anything well. lol

Putting the eggs in the wrong basket, but what can they do, maybe have little choice.