How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

[Samuel Dilworth]

I'm not sure, but I got the impression that the new Olympus and gh6 might finally be doing what was rumored for the a7siii (and did not come to pass). They might take advantage of the quad Bayer pattern to utilize alternating high-gain and low-gain photosites within the same 2x2 patch that becomes a single pixel. So, the 2 different exposures would be registered simultaneously and not sequentially. But I could be wrong. Somebody tell me

I’m guessing too, but it’s my understanding that (a) the GH6 doesn’t have a quad-Bayer sensor, and (b) Panasonic is reading out the whole sensor at one ISO, say, 800, to preserve the highlights, and then doing another different exposure in quick succession at, say ISO 4000, to preserve the shadows. Then it’s doing an in-camera composite in real-time and moving on to the next frame.

This is only possible because of the phenomenal readout speed of the sensor (and stacks of processing power, of course), and even then it’s limited to 60p. Who knows what it does to the appearance of motion blur when the subject moves between the two exposures. Probably bad things to the critical observer.

Arri does something quite different (and less ambitious but with no chance of compositing errors). Those cameras read out the same exposure twice at different gain, for the minimal benefit of operating the ADCs in their highest performance window for both shadows and highlights. In the high-gain readout the highlights would be blown, but that doesn’t matter because they’re preserved in the second low-gain readout.

[Zim]

Well, yeah...because then it's not AF anymore. lol

The camera isn't looking for focus thus resulting in no pulsing. You only have push AF after that which is technically focusing automatically but it's just once and you have to manually operate it.

And get used to that zooming test...don't be happy with something just because you can't see it with your brain/particular set of eyes without zooming in.

You deserve better AF in a Panasonic camera.

When you half way push down the shutter or tap the screen it is AF. It is not continuous AF. So you can shoot that way or manual to stop background pulsing. I normally don't use continuous AF. I hope the GH6 fixes or improves that. But the whole package on the gH6 looks really good. Continuous AF will not be a deal breaker.

[Zim]

Bunch more leaks on the GH6 now. Looks like a monster with a fan for cooling. Internal ProRes 422 HQ to card at 1.9 Gb/s. Also physically quite a bit larger than the GH5. Nothing about this looks cheap. I’m guessing three grand?

Under $2500? Maybe with the 12-60 lens around $2700 or less. . Maybe they will match the OM-1 price.
This will be a camera that will last for years.

[DLD]

And we’ve got a full spec 8 page PDF leak on scribD:

https://photorumors.com/2022/02/16/p...ed-online/amp/

Either I am missing their 100 MPX pixel shift claim from yesterday or they are (this copy of uncertain origin is). I suppose, we'll get to it when we'll get to it.

[Samuel Dilworth]

This will be a camera that will last for years.

Sure, though I feel the same way about my GH5S with its internal DCI 4K 4:2:2 10-bit, true 24p, codec and frame-rate flexibility, Raw output to Blackmagic or Atomos recorder, reasonable timecode support and audio generally, good low-light noise, solid exposure- and focus-assist tools, no overheating, fast readout, good battery life by mirrorless standards (though still annoying; by the way, the GH6 looks worse for battery life although maybe they’ve got another powering option in the works?), etc.

The GH5S still strikes me as a camera that concentrates on getting the nitty-gritty details right instead of just doing flashy headline specs. That’s the sort of product I like. Can’t stand flakey half-baked products like nearly every Canon camera. Clearly the market at large thinks otherwise.

Of course it’s of no use to the full-frame fetishists, but that explains its low price, which is what makes it possible for me to own such a capable camera. I’m not a pro and can’t drop four-grand here there and everywhere.

(I see you’re selling your GH5S so evidently you disagree on some level. That package you’re selling is a true bargain for someone, by the way. Good luck with the sale.)

[Zim]

Sure, though I feel the same way about my GH5S with its internal DCI 4K 4:2:2 10-bit, true 24p, codec and frame-rate flexibility, Raw output to Blackmagic or Atomos recorder, reasonable timecode support and audio generally, good low-light noise, solid exposure- and focus-assist tools, no overheating, fast readout, good battery life by mirrorless standards (though still annoying; by the way, the GH6 looks worse for battery life although maybe they’ve got another powering option in the works?), etc.

The GH5S still strikes me as a camera that concentrates on getting the nitty-gritty details right instead of just doing flashy headline specs. That’s the sort of product I like. Can’t stand flakey half-baked products like nearly every Canon camera. Clearly the market at large thinks otherwise.

Of course it’s of no use to the full-frame fetishists, but that explains its low price, which is what makes it possible for me to own such a capable camera. I’m not a pro and can’t drop four-grand here there and everywhere.

(I see you’re selling your GH5S so evidently you disagree on some level. That package you’re selling is a true bargain for someone, by the way. Good luck with the sale.)

I don't have a GH5S. I still have a GH3. They battery life will be something to watch

[NorBro]

When you half way push down the shutter or tap the screen it is AF. It is not continuous AF. So you can shoot that way or manual to stop background pulsing. I normally don't use continuous AF. I hope the GH6 fixes or improves that. But the whole package on the gH6 looks really good. Continuous AF will not be a deal breaker.

Yeah, that's called push AF, or single AF...every camera has it. Some older systems still pulsed in this mode but it was different; if the lens didn't recognize any contrast and what to focus on, it would zoom in and out, back-and-forth until it locked focus, creating a pulsing-like effect. But it was much slower and not like the highly erratic pulsing from Panasonic's continuous AF.

[Samuel Dilworth]

I don't have a GH5S. I still have a GH3.

Whoops, sorry, I mixed you up with another commentator in this thread, filmguy123, who is selling his GH5S: https://www.dvxuser.com/forum/market...-gh5s-gh4-2200

[Thomas Smet]

I don't have a GH5S. I still have a GH3. They battery life will be something to watch

I had a GH3 before. Trust me just about any camera on the planet is much better.

[Zim]

I had a GH3 before. Trust me just about any camera on the planet is much better.

It will be sold to help buy the GH6

[Thomas Smet]

The "leaked" spec sheet still mentions V-log and not V-log L. Could this be it? Could we finally be getting rid of V-log L?

The ISO 2000 for V-log is also only when using the special extra DR mode. When that is turned off its ISO 250 for the base.

No mention at all of dual native ISO but in a way this DR boost feature is kind of a different set of base ISO values. So instead of dual native ISO we now get normal DR 12+ or boosted DR 13+ with its own set of use ISOs.

I still don't see this being a massive low light beast but maybe the DR boost mode thing will help. It has to be cleaner or else 2000 ISO would look pretty bad as the base for V-log. Perhaps whatever voodoo they are doing to manage this booster DR mode is helping shift the ISO range kind of like dual native ISO. Helps boost DR but also makes the camera more sensitive. Could be nice for log since even the mighty Canon R6 and R5 have a lot of visible noise with c-log 3 at ISO 800.

This is a tempting camera... Can't wait to see it in action. If anything it hopefully will keep lighting a fire under the butts of Canon and Sony for video features.

[Thomas Smet]

It will be sold to help buy the GH6

Best of luck finding any decent value selling that GH3. I have been trying to sell stuff recently and the used market is pretty sad at the moment. If anyone doubts how well cameras sold the past couple of years they only need to look at the flooded used market. I just sold a GH4 and was lucky to get $287 for it. You might be able to buy a battery by selling the GH3.

[NorBro]

I think you should see V-Log since they moved to it in the full-frame cameras after the GH5/S.

[Of course the cinema cameras had it before that.]

[Zim]

Best of luck finding any decent value selling that GH3. I have been trying to sell stuff recently and the used market is pretty sad at the moment. If anyone doubts how well cameras sold the past couple of years they only need to look at the flooded used market. I just sold a GH4 and was lucky to get $287 for it. You might be able to buy a battery by selling the GH3.

Every little bit helps

[Zim]

OM-1 footage

https://youtu.be/499RCJDK4Ss