Do you RAW?

[North Utsira]

(apologies for thread title)

There are now some really interesting options at the $700 or less mark: super detailed AVCHD/H.264 from the Nikon D5200 and Panasonic G6 (ok, maybe body only to hit $700), but also thanks to magic lantern, raw video on the Canon 50D ($400+ 2nd hand?).

Of course raw video is a much more involved work flow, and there's no onboard sound on the 50D, so it's not a like-for-like comparison. But leaving those issues aside and just looking at the quality of the image and the motion, which excites you more? Raw, or one of the recent top-notch AVCHD/H.264 cams?

[Samuel H]

I take RAW over sharpness, unless sharpness comes with a 10-bit codec or much wider DR. Painful workflow, though.

[TheDingo]

I haven't been impressed by the noise and artifacting of the 50D RAW footage. So far the only RAW DSLR I would consider is the 5D Mk3, but you have to be willing to live with it's RAW workflow. ( which seems to be getting better by the day )

Shooting RAW with the Blackmagic Pocket Cine camera should be interesting, when the RAW update becomes available later this year.

[sharry]

Ill go with 10 bit codec with 14 stop latitude over RAW any day.

[Andrius Simutis]

I've played with it, liked it, and shot some green screen with it. Unfortunately, the workflow is too cumbersome for me to use it for a bigger project right now.

[North Utsira]

Ill go with 10 bit codec with 14 stop latitude over RAW any day.

I guess you and Samuel are referring to the Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera's ProRes 422 right?

I'm still a little hazy on the difference between 8 bit (AVCHD), 10 bit (ProRes 422), 14 bit (ML raw) colour depth. I know that if I screw up the white balance on AVCHD footage then it looks really terrible when you try to colour correct it, but maybe 14 bit is overkill for my needs.

Man, late July is such a stupid time to get that urge to buy a new camera! Must.... wait.... until.... new.... generation..... is.... reviewed....

[Guest]

Man, late July is such a stupid time to get that urge to buy a new camera! Must.... wait.... until.... new.... generation..... is.... reviewed....

trying to decide if I hear Cpt. Kirk or Christopher Walken's voice when I read this...
I know the intent, but Walken's voice makes it sound like you are not really in a rush after all. Like too cool and making the obvious wise choice.

[North Utsira]

trying to decide if I hear Cpt. Kirk or Christopher Walken's voice when I read this...
I know the intent, but Walken's voice makes it sound like you are not really in a rush after all. Like too cool and making the obvious wise choice.

I wish it was the Walken voice.... but no, it's Cpt. Kirk trying to fight the "buy a camera!" mind control ray.

OK, how about "must wait until new generation is leaked". I think I can hold out until then

[Danielvilliers]

Can someone so me some video where the raw made a big difference.

[lyrov]

Can someone so me some video where the raw made a big difference.

This one?
https://vimeo.com/67858701

[sharry]

@North: Im not just refering to bmpc. Anything with 10 bit codec and a wide dr is good enough for me.

@Iyrov: No man. That still does not do for me. Check out some stuff macgregor shot with his f35 with an external codec. There is a whole thread about it on here. This is coming from a guy who loves color grading and narrative filmmaking.

[TheDingo]

@Iyrov: No man. That still does not do for me. Check out some stuff macgregor shot with his f35 with an external codec. There is a whole thread about it on here. This is coming from a guy who loves color grading and narrative filmmaking.

You can't expect Canon 5D Mk3 RAW footage to hold up against an F35, though I didn't like the color grading in the Vimeo link that Iyrov posted, the skin tone looks very orange and unnatural. ( perhaps with better grading it would look better )

[lyrov]

F35..!!!??? haha...ok...I think Im gonna sell my house to get one!!!
Just dont tell my wife...

[TheDingo]

F35..!!!??? haha...ok...I think Im gonna sell my house to get one!!!

I think MacGregor picked up a used F35 for $10K, and has done a great job of outfitting it for hand-held ( on the shoulder ) shooting.

[lyrov]

Ok then...I ll just sell my car...!
No, seriously now...as you said in your previous post 5D3 RAW vs F35 is not a fair comparison...
However I do think RAW footage from 5D3 can easily be compared to a C100 for example...and thats already a big deal...