Probably that is best Ryan - Develop your courage. It took me till I got to 50 to learn how to say no properly. I was always worried I'd burn bridges, but once I started saying no, these thick skinned people still carried on asking and sometimes I said yes. At some point you'll stop looking upon freebies as opportunities for exposure. You cannot buy food with exposure.
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Originally posted by JimS2 View Post... I could do that, but then I would have to delay shoots until those other actors are available, and I hate delaying on everyone else.
You’ve been given this advice many, many times, and you still have yet to do anything with it. But you also still have yet to demonstrate that you a) understand what being a director actually is and b) have the ability to create anything on little or no budget that would motivate anyone to invest in your larger projects. You cannot throw money at the problem - especially not other people’s money - and solve these two issues.
The two videos you have posted on this forum don’t help your case. One isn’t a short film... it’s a glorified TED talk (closer to TV than film). The other is a skit that everybody pitched in on, and apparently everybody “directed”.
Originally posted by JimS2 View PostAs for the current project, I could finish this latest episode and post it on here for feedback as well, if the producer can get the people stick around to finish it. Then I can tell him that I won't do anymore until we have a comission if that's best.
Side note: directing a documentary is a different world from directing a narrative feature film.
You came back to this forum after having been banned, and you tried to sneak in under a fake name. We’ve given you plenty of opportunity to demonstrate that you’ve learned something. What say you?Knoxville-based location sound mixer.
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Originally posted by JimS2 View PostOh okay. I have had some paying gigs so far and those went a lot better. Probably because the person paying had to keep the money tight, and knew they couldn't change anything unless they wanted to spend more.
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Oh okay, well I could post a couple of other projects I directed from before, I just didn't think they were worth posting until I improved better.
And yes, I know directing a documentary is a different beast, it's just that this person helped me out on a project of mine, so I wanted to pay them back on theirs when he asked me to.Last edited by JimS2; 08-19-2020, 09:30 AM.
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Originally posted by paulears View PostRyan's had this problem many times before which he's mentioned on other forums. First time here I think. Saskatoon seem to have a small group of budding film makers and these people, based on his previous tales, have a habit of jumping in, then jumping out again when the going gets a teeny bit tough. Producers are NOT real producers, they're people keen to get involved, like a kind of club. Ryan made a movie before where suddenly the cast became unavailable, so the script got rewritten quite terribly. Then the locations became unavailable, in the end it was exactly the same. Collections of shot material that suddenly got repurposed. People had production roles and they suddenly changed too. Nobody was really doing the job role they started.
We've told Ryan that with amateurs these are perfectly normal problems, but it just looks like they've all done it again. Ryan's been sound man, camera man, producer, director lighting cameraman, editor, runner, plus other jobs. Sometimes by design, sometimes by bad luck when people just vanish. He has resilience and just steams intone next project. Practically everything normal productions would do, don't get done in Saskatoon. If you need to hire a lens, or a location you find an excuse to solve it by re-writing the script to avoid the need. You want a certain look to a space, so instead of painting it, decorating it as usual, you try to change the colour of the paint in post. You try to change poor recorded sound afterwards, you resist learning new processes or hiring specialists by fudging the production so it doesn't need doing. You even in one project, ignore all conventions to record a certain activity because the 'client' doesn't want to do it the usual/normal/sensible way and your shot footage is unusable. It needed techniques to make it work that crossed traditional shoot rules, but that meant the end produc was a mess. These things just repeat in a cycle. Next topic will address this producer issue by suggesting a codirector partnership which will fall down because one won't do what the other says. We've done all this before two years ago on another forum. I could link the other forums topics here but there's little point. I've tried to help Ruan as have numerous other people but he's moved here now and brought all his old stories with him, so it's like watching reruns on TV!Last edited by ahalpert; 08-19-2020, 09:34 AM.
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Originally posted by JimS2 View PostYes, I will take the advice given to me before. As for not rewriting and just relying on other actors later, I could do that, but then I would have to delay shoots until those other actors are available, and I hate delaying on everyone else. But I can do that if that's best.
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Oh okay, well I would have more people come to the auditions then in order, to have enough people to call where I could just hit the phones and someone will say yes. So I can try to get more auditions packed in and try different places. I can't really use a member of the crew if I want that person to do any shooting or sound recording of course, but I can see, what I can come up with for next time.
As for the current project, I think after this one I am going to say no to any unscripted documentary type projects after this that anyone asks me for. They are just unpredictable, unless that is stubborn of me to turn down any unscripted projects from now on?
But as for getting other people more on board with my projects, perhaps in order to not get people to leave, it's just a matter of schmoozing and I need to be a better schmoozer, and when someone says no, maybe I shouldn't leave it at that, just still keep trying to schooze that person?Last edited by JimS2; 08-19-2020, 10:10 AM.
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Originally posted by briandrys1 View PostDirecting documentaries is going over old ground, it was discussed in a long thread on another forum.
Many harp on JimS2 about his posts, but then keep responding. If people are tired of his posts, why do members keep responding? If it bothers people, they should just ignore the thread.
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