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David W. Richardson
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Chapel Grove Films
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Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostThe other point is respect for the rights of others. Don't you think land owners, whether private, corporate or municipal, have the right to decide whether or not they want you on their land? As in the example I gave before -- would you want a film crew (or anyone else) coming onto your property whenever they felt like it, especially if you weren't there, and doing whatever they wanted? If you feel that you have the right to control your own property, how can you think it's okay to deny that same right to someone else?
As I said, if I cordon off a section of park, block a street, or other big production activities... sure... permits are in order... publicizing that 'filming is taking place'... etc.
But for a small crew no more than what one would expect for a 'family gathering'... heck, a 100 people could 'occupy' park as a family and not have permit police break up the gathering... provided no one is otherwise breaking the law, getting rowdy, etc.
In regard to me making a deal with a private property owner, that is between me and the owner, not the city/county/state because I happen to be 'filming' a movie... and there it is even more obvious that 'permits' do nothing, since it is on private property...
Again this has nothing to do with safety or the like... this as to do with idiotic regulations for the sake of getting a pound of flesh by the local government.
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Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostBut the point is you have the right to stop OTHERS from coming and shooting in your house. That's the point.
This is why in many cases the permits are ignored by small crews with no budget.
Perhaps in other places in the country permits are only required for public lands, or 'big' productions... if at all... but LA is notorious for requiring permits, and having police actually stop people who appear to be 'professional'.
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Originally posted by j1clark@ucsd.edu View PostPerhaps you missed it... In Los Angeles it is illegal to 'shoot a film' in your own house without a permit. And furthermore, if you make an agreement with a home owner, you still have to have a permit in LA to shoot there.
This is why in many cases the permits are ignored by small crews with no budget.
Perhaps in other places in the country permits are only required for public lands, or 'big' productions... if at all... but LA is notorious for requiring permits, and having police actually stop people who appear to be 'professional'.
You're saying you can't shoot a film in your own home if you want to. I get that.
What I'm saying is that you CAN prevent someone else from coming into your home or onto your property and shooting a film without your permission. Whether they need more than just your permission is irrelevant -- unless YOU say it's okay, they cannot come onto your property and shoot a film. Which is as it should be.
Whether or not L.A. requires a permit to shoot somewhere isn't the issue. If you need a permit, then you need a permit. That does NOT mean that you DON'T need the permission of the owner of the property.
Yet some filmmakers believe they can shoot anywhere they please, as long as they don't get caught -- with absolute disregard for the rights of the property owners and the safety of their cast and crew. Those same people would hypocritically object to people trespassing on THEIR property. How can anyone not see this is wrong?David W. Richardson
Writer/Producer/Director/Editor
Chapel Grove Films
Celtic Cross Films
Bliss Video Productions
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1400903/?ref_=tt_ov_dr
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Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostNo, I didn't miss it. We're making two different points.
You're saying you can't shoot a film in your own home if you want to. I get that.
What I'm saying is that you CAN prevent someone else from coming into your home or onto your property and shooting a film without your permission. Whether they need more than just your permission is irrelevant -- unless YOU say it's okay, they cannot come onto your property and shoot a film. Which is as it should be.
Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostWhether or not L.A. requires a permit to shoot somewhere isn't the issue. If you need a permit, then you need a permit.
Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostThat does NOT mean that you DON'T need the permission of the owner of the property.
Originally posted by David W. Richardson View PostYet some filmmakers believe they can shoot anywhere they please, as long as they don't get caught -- with absolute disregard for the rights of the property owners and the safety of their cast and crew. Those same people would hypocritically object to people trespassing on THEIR property. How can anyone not see this is wrong?
Behaving responsibly at all times is a basic requirement. Permits don't figure into it, except as a calculus of risk same as any other. Obey the law, because it's the law and for no other reason, and if you don't, well, you'll pay the price. What you do is your individual decision and nobody can make that calculus for you, and you are fully responsible for the consequences regardless of any permitting process.
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