Old HV20 comes back to life as a working prop!

[Takumarr]

I thought you were all about shooting with an HVX? Now I'm confused.

Yes, unfortunately, it is exactly the same,,,,

[Takumarr]

LOL, I know I thought he was making the case that because he could extract 422 via analog to hdmi that it made an out of date camera state of art. But then he flipped to make the opposite opinion against the camera. Good Lord.

Hello Mr. Peter, apparently you did not join our creative thread,
I must say that your words are not clear!!!

[Peter C.]

Hello Mr. Peter, apparently you did not join our creative thread,
I must say that your words are not clear!!!

One pound of learning requires ten pounds of commonsense to apply it.

[Takumarr]

LOL, I know I thought he was making the case that because he could extract 422 via analog to hdmi that it made an out of date camera state of art. But then he flipped to make the opposite opinion against the camera. Good Lord.

Although I did not understand much of your writing, but you are not only creative in making tools and solutions, but it seems that you are also creative in the story, may God bless you...

[Takumarr]

One pound of learning requires ten pounds of commonsense to apply it.

!!!

My learning doesn't weigh itself, maybe half a pound or more...

[CharlesPapert]

Wow. Where are we going with all of this?!

Takumarr, I hope the takeaway you get from this is that my personal interest in older cameras was not to have them compete with new technology, but to use them to represent exactly what they were--a camera produced at a certain time in history, that represents the look of image capture at that moment. My 80's era tube cameras were used on the recently released feature "V/H/S/85" to simulate found footage from that era, and the filmmakers really enjoyed the process of working with the vintage cameras. They are quite literally .24K cameras--240 lines of gloriously smeary resolution. Digital cameras from the HVX era are a much more subtle paradigm--do they actually look vintage, is there a definable aesthetic there that makes it worth going through the trouble of modernizing their workflow, or could it be simulated with a modern camera and some solid knocking-down in post? I think you have to go back a little bit further, to the XL1/DVX100 era to really start to land on a look that justifies using the older cameras (on the higher end 2/3 cameras, the SDX900 and Sony DigiBetas, of which I have forgotten the model numbers on).

[Takumarr]

I agree with you to some extent. It's almost personal taste, and I don't talk about it, because nobody likes it... I grew up with television and programs, with ccd cameras, then digital changes to video came, which was welcomed by everyone, but the pictures from the old cameras It was more natural, I was wondering where to find the simple camera to I needed, I even got curious about sony dv cameras like pd170 and z5, the reason for my interest in old cameras is a bit complicated...

I'm interested in old cameras, and ccd sensors, great 48kh audio recording on plastic dv tape!
But maybe my life is not enough to check all this!

[CharlesPapert]

You aren't the only one I've heard talk about CCD sensors vs CMOS. I'm a little hard pressed to view CCD's as looking more natural simply because the cameras were relatively hobbled in so many ways, particularly dynamic range. In particular I was never a fan of the 1/3" sensor size as I had already spent enough years trying to force 2/3" into looking more filmic, trying to eke out shallow focus however one could, and 1/3" just made that even harder. I look back at all the projects I shot on my XL1 and DVX100 and think how much better they would look on today's cameras. But of course, everyone can have their preferences.

[Takumarr]

You aren't the only one I've heard talk about CCD sensors vs CMOS. I'm a little hard pressed to view CCD's as looking more natural simply because the cameras were relatively hobbled in so many ways, particularly dynamic range. In particular I was never a fan of the 1/3" sensor size as I had already spent enough years trying to force 2/3" into looking more filmic, trying to eke out shallow focus however one could, and 1/3" just made that even harder. I look back at all the projects I shot on my XL1 and DVX100 and think how much better they would look on today's cameras. But of course, everyone can have their preferences.

Yes, today's cameras are better.