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  • NorBro
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    We've already had this conversation before multiple times at 4am in the morning.

    I already told you that I think both choices will exist.

    Humans will work with machines with very little input from the machines.

    And machines will make choices on their own for certain content that is uploaded every day and doesn't need to be supervised in a very fast-paced world.

    No creativity will exist here because it will just be content - content - content and any number of editing calculations will work 365 days a year, 7 days a week.

    That is how it will work.

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post

    Classic ahalpert...

    "Guys, wait, I'm not ready to be replaced yet!"

    Your bar mitzvah filming days are over pal! Get used to it!!

    lol.
    As an editor, I would have been replaced in the scenario you depicted. I'm commenting on what would change and what would remain the same. You still wouldn't have computers actually making art for you. Just assisting you. Which is all they will ever do until they have the right to own themselves and market their output themselves and be the boss

    as far as shooting weddings goes - the smart play, if robots invade the space, is to buy some and become a manager. Sort of like how studios outsource editing to 3rd world countries now to lower costs and increase capacity. I'd be sad not to shoot, but I'd be ideally positioned to transition

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    Well, of course it is. Unnecessary mental labor.

    Having to worry about focusing an image is silly.

    Stuff like that won't exist in the future.
    I guess... but with every post-production process, you still have to worry about setting yourself up for success. You'll still want to preview how the shot will look with different focus points so you know what you're getting and know that it's not going to suck later. Making beauty is not just about getting things in focus. The frame will look substantially different depending on where the focal plane is placed (or, perhaps, multiple focal planes)

    And are these lenses self-cleaning? Someone will still have to clean them, although it could be a robot. Who repairs the robots? Just other robots?

    Also- before you try yo tell me that beauty doesn't matter - turn on a Marvel movie and bow to the craftsmanship
    Last edited by ahalpert; 09-14-2021, 11:24 PM.

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  • NorBro
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    Originally posted by ahalpert View Post

    Crucially, the imagined scenario involves people sitting around experimenting and then adjusting based on their emotional responses. What's been AI'd is largely the technicians and assistants. So, while the labor market would look vastly different, the creative process and product would not be substantially different
    Classic ahalpert...

    "Guys, wait, I'm not ready to be replaced yet!"

    Your bar mitzvah filming days are over, pal! Get used to it!!

    lol.

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by hojomo View Post

    I have no problem imaging this kind of a workflow being commonplace much sooner than that. Another 15 years? I wonder how much narrative is going to be enmeshed in gameplay & VR worlds & the viewer choosing the focus & POV instead. That is probably more likely to be the norm, certainly this far out. Movies will still exist of course, but maybe audiences will demand some kind of enhanced personalization
    Crucially, the imagined scenario involves people sitting around experimenting and then adjusting based on their emotional responses. What's been AI'd is largely the technicians and assistants. So, while the labor market would look vastly different, the creative process and product would not be substantially different

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  • NorBro
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    And I don't mind manual physical labor using strength and endurance (lifting heavy stuff, digging holes, etc), but I don't like dumb technology mental labor.

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  • NorBro
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    Well, of course it is. Unnecessary mental labor.

    Having to worry about focusing an image is silly.

    Stuff like that won't exist in the future.

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post

    The idea of turning a ring and engaging in this manual labor to make sure your image is clear is not a concept this future world will ever understand.
    I'm starting to get the impression that you really hate manual labor.

    Also - pulling focus is labor?

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  • NorBro
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    Rumors of them making a cinema camera started back to 2015 when they started working with RED on some stuff and briefly sold the RAVEN bundle in the Apple store for a year or so (lol on that), but nothing of course came out of it. I still think they could but I don't know if they'd be interested.

    Ideally they improve on this phone tech and actually offer a more expensive phone with better chips and company like RED planned to do.

    Maybe with some Apple-made modules for ProRes RAW and what not.

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  • Bob Loblaw
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    It looks great for a phone, and the tech behind it is fantastic, but it still looks like professionally lit low end DSLR to me. Apple certainly won’t be using it as an A cam for See or Ted Lasso. At the end of the day this camera is made from cheap sensor tech and is only a side feature in a $1,200 device filled with features.

    Imagine what Apple could do if they focused on making a professional camera using high end sensors, no consumer friendly constraints. Instead of cramming it all into a phone for around grand, they actually spread their wings to make a pro camera with a much higher price tag. I would love to see Apple swing for the fence and insert this tech into a legit cinema camera. A pro body with multiple S35 sensors fixed with the best glass out there. It could be revolutionary.

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  • NorBro
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    Originally posted by hojomo View Post

    I have no problem imaging this kind of a workflow being commonplace much sooner than that. Another 15 years? I wonder how much narrative is going to be enmeshed in gameplay & VR worlds & the viewer choosing the focus & POV instead. That is probably more likely to be the norm, certainly this far out. Movies will still exist of course, but maybe audiences will demand some kind of enhanced personalization
    There will definitely be some sort of interactive entertainment like that. Why not, right? Someone will do it. But I also don't know how popular it will be for everyone because people don't want to think too much and have to do "work" while being entertained.

    But maybe there will be movies where you even make decisions like those books they used to have for kids where you had a choice to make after reading a few pages. You'd then turn to a certain page based on the choice you made and it would or could turn into a different story.

    As far as the mixture, the computer technology will continue to heavily change films. It's good and bad. A little depressing. It is what it is.

    Originally posted by rob norton View Post
    Haha nice future scenario. Shouldn't we have done away with physical keys by then?
    haha. Touché.

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  • rob norton
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    Haha nice future scenario. Shouldn't we have done away with physical keys by then?

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  • hojomo
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    Picture a world like this....

    It's 2072. Siri has been retired since 2050 and her replacement Veronika 2.8 is the most commonly used virtual assistant on planet Earth and planet Mars.

    Veronika is now integrated into NLEs.

    Some humans are in an editing suite somewhere in Australia.

    ___

    Human A: Veronika, mate, can we see Bob stay in focus as he walks to the door and just as soon as he touches the door knob to open the door and leave, can we rack focus to his wife's reaction?

    Veronika: Confirmed.

    [Humans watch playback.]

    Human A: So, what'd you think?

    Human B: I liked it, but let's try this: Veronika, can we actually show a close-up of the pair of keys on the table for 1 second - which Bob is seemingly forgetting - right when he's about to open the door and then rack focus from the keys to his wife's reaction?

    Veronika: Scanning b-roll. It appears there are no close-ups of the keys in this current batch #832342. Would you like a crop from Camera B?
    Native resolution: 24K. Camera operator: AI z3234, Type: Hovercraft

    Human B: Sure, let's try it.
    I have no problem imaging this kind of a workflow being commonplace much sooner than that. Another 15 years? I wonder how much narrative is going to be enmeshed in gameplay & VR worlds & the viewer choosing the focus & POV instead. That is probably more likely to be the norm, certainly this far out. Movies will still exist of course, but maybe audiences will demand some kind of enhanced personalization

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  • NorBro
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    Picture a world like this....

    It's 2072. Siri has been retired since 2050 and her replacement Veronika 2.8 is the most commonly used virtual assistant on planet Earth and planet Mars.

    Veronika is now integrated into NLEs.

    Some humans are in an editing suite somewhere in Australia.

    ___

    Human A: Veronika, mate, can we see Bob stay in focus as he walks to the door and just as soon as he touches the door knob to open the door and leave, can we rack focus to his wife's reaction?

    Veronika: Confirmed.

    [Humans watch playback.]

    Human A: So, what'd you think?

    Human B: I liked it, but let's try this: Veronika, can we actually show a close-up of the pair of keys on the table for 1 second - which Bob is seemingly forgetting - right when he's about to open the door and then rack focus from the keys to his wife's reaction?

    Veronika: Scanning b-roll. It appears there are no close-ups of the keys in this current batch #832342. Would you like a crop from Camera B?
    Native resolution: 24K. Camera operator: AI z3234, Type: Hovercraft

    Human B: Sure, let's try it.

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  • rob norton
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post

    That's old-thinking though...
    The insurance policy isn't to be taken lightly. You could argue that it'd be more useful than opening up creative possibilities.

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