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  • DLD
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    It's auto-tune for images.

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  • NorBro
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    That's fun as a video game (and there are many like that with New Pokemon Snap being one of the most recent), but I sure hope it's never comparable to the real life activity.

    You have to draw a line at some point, ha.

    Being out in the wild, in nature, breathing in the fresh air, having the challenge of capturing the once-in-a-lifetime frame(s) is why we do it.

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  • QuickHitRecord
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    Skip the camera, bypass the smartphone, and get straight to the "craft"... without leaving your computer:



    I don't get this at all, but just watch this take off on Instagram and TikTok -- it feels like it could. I can already see the headlines about a couple of 17 year olds who sell their virtual photo NFTs and make millions.

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  • NorBro
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    That's personal stuff involving the heart and not really the purpose of the tech.

    We have our automated iPhone/etc. slideshows and you can override the decisions made or include photos that were missed or change the order but no one cares about that besides you and your family.

    The bigger picture here is the creation of different data and lead conversion for companies.

    Besides being tracked and having content provided to us based on that data, companies make visual products based on geodata, income, culture, and current events.

    AI could be tapped into a universal network of information and would consistently be pumping out these visual products and many, many variations of them. It would know how many people clicked on a YouTube ad or other ad and create more ads like that in seconds.

    It would try these ads in other markets and see how potential accounts respond there. Never-ending I/O of data.

    The purpose of machines would be to communicate, share, analyze and create data 24/7 for companies to make more money than the world has ever seen before.

    If an ad on YouTube is resulting in zero activity, it immediately gets pulled and replaced instead of having to wait for a human to edit something else and replace it manually.

    You dig? Are you following me?

    Yes, these machines won't make those beautiful heartfelt films that some humans work on for a decade dialing every perfect detail that their own brain has created, or they won't be able to create the world's best banana documentary with a certain human context - but that will not be the purpose of the technology.

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  • ahalpert
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    I mean, what you're describing is basically how google serves me up montages/slideshows of my family photos. Then it asks me if I want to keep what it produced. The computer does the heavy lifting and I get the final say, the part where I decide if I like it or not.

    If the computer were to make the creative decisions, it would decide on a final version and then post it to facebook and send links to my family without consulting me. Which could happen, but probably isn't even desirable

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  • NorBro
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    I view it as a task that consists of the organization of frames.

    It's moot as you're too invested and I'm too detached.

    Won't get anywhere with this.

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    This creativity you speak of is overrated. AI will make 100 edits in seconds and the human can pick one.
    That IS the creative decision-making. The human can curate the input. Just like I deliver optional edits to my client and they tell me which direction they want to pursue. The computer is replacing me, the editor, the technician. It is not replacing the producer. But at first, it will probably just be assisting the editor (much like it does now) before they pass that on to the producer

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  • NorBro
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    Humanity had their chance.































    lol.

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  • Thomas Smet
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    I'm starting to wonder if NorBro is really a machine. Skynet has arrived and will take over the world via video cameras.

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  • NorBro
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    Creativity would have to be defined here.

    I think the above is more a set of instructions which is a natural process part of life.

    Humans weren't born knowing how to make these "templates" and were instructed to be creative in certain formats while working 10-20-30 years to obtain those roles. They have a lot of "deep learning" of their own.

    Since humans teach humans, what's the problem with robots being taught? And then teaching other robots? (Presumably in seconds as the data is passed around and imported by others.)

    This creativity you speak of is overrated. AI will make 100 edits in seconds and the human can pick one.

    If this is some internal struggle you're having and really require some emotional reassurance on who might get the last word in, human or robot - OKAY, the human might get the last word in and your job's safe for now. lol

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  • ahalpert
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    And machines will make choices on their own for certain content that is uploaded every day and doesn't need to be supervised in a very fast-paced world.

    No creativity will exist here because it will just be content - content - content and any number of editing calculations will work 365 days a year, 7 days a week.

    That is how it will work.
    Sure but there's already formulaic **** like this being constantly pumped out by humans. And the creative decisions were made when the template for the content was crafted by some producer. So, still not a huge difference in how creative decisions are made. and someone will have to review it intermittently or have some feedback mechanism to make sure that everything is working out. And over time, the human will probably adjust the template based on changing fashion/style

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  • DLD
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    Technically, any digital image is a combination of 1's and 0's and can be reconstructed the same way one does an upres in post. Over the last couple of years, the manipulation of images have gotten a lot more sophisticated too.

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  • Thomas Smet
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    I view all this tech like food. We have instant meals where we rip it out of a box and nuke it for three minutes. It helps feed a ton of people around the world but we still have chefs and restaurants. We still have people that will manually chop the ingredients. We still sometimes prefer to spend an hour making our special soup at home vs using a can opener and heating up a can of soup.

    just because we give more people easier to use options doesn’t mean the art dies. In many ways we can learn to appreciate it even more and start to value the quality of that home cooked meal. We eventually start to miss the creativity, humanity and quality as we live through monotonous lives of canned soups, TV dinners and fast food.

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  • Thomas Smet
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    Perhaps I’m not getting something right here but this isn’t a way to correct focus in post as much as it’s moving focus between two perspectives. In order to change fine focus to essentially auto focus in post and fix focus it would need to be made up of dozens of images. This is not a AF replacement technology at all but a way to make small sensors act like bigger sensors and adjust focus between a single foreground and a single background element. You will notice every single focus pull in the mystery video only adjusted focus between two points and almost always by the same amount. It’s like a robot was pulling focus with a set of hard stops for what they could focus on.

    if the iPhone 13 gets a shot out of focus it is still going to be out of focus.

    plus depending on fixing the focus in post could lead to very costly mistakes. On set if we don’t like the way a focus pull worked we shoot it again. In post you may be able to get it right but what if the tech isn’t enough? Now you have to plan reshoots which could actually be impossible.

    my understanding is this works like portrait mode where it uses the difference between two lenses to mask and determine depth between subjects in the frame. Raw photo formats on the iPhone have had the ability to adjust the focus in post for years now but it’s still very limited to the difference between the two lenses.

    it’s also much harder to shoot thinking of how a focal change may work later in post. Shooters may not cover or frame what is needed correctly and be able to visualize how it will look later.

    it’s a really neat tool and it will be put to great use but it is very far from a replacement. Focus isn’t a labor, it’s a creative tool that we use. I prefer the artist behind the one to make those creative judgements in the environment and when the subject is there. Doing it only in post makes it all too clinical like shooting a movie all on green screen where the actors have a hard time visualizing what they are acting against. We will end up will flat performances and convoluted lifeless content masked by constant changing focus because hey it’s easy to do.

    At the end of the day it’s all very processed video. As most of us even move away from m43 to FF to have less processed looking video the iPhone just keeps piling the image processing onto an image. This will visually never be the same league of optical quality as glass moving in a lens. It’s a really cool faked version of it but it’s essentially a CGI Grand Moff Tarkin vs the real Peter Cushing. Cool tech to get the story made but there will always be something off about it.

    Panasonic does have a better form of this for still photos where they do have multiple focused images that can adjust focus in many ways on a image. Eventually maybe video will get there as well but it’s still processed and it works on a DSLR because the sensor is larger and it’s using real lenses to shift that focus. So it’s sandwiching how the optical focus should look across dozens of images.

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  • Bob Loblaw
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    Originally posted by NorBro View Post
    We've already had this conversation before multiple times at 4am in the morning.

    I already told you that I think both choices will exist.

    Humans will work with machines with very little input from the machines.

    And machines will make choices on their own for certain content that is uploaded every day and doesn't need to be supervised in a very fast-paced world.

    No creativity will exist here because it will just be content - content - content and any number of editing calculations will work 365 days a year, 7 days a week.

    That is how it will work.
    I don’t like it, but I believe it. Content quantity over quality is certainly where everything is trending.
    Last edited by Bob Loblaw; 09-15-2021, 02:22 AM.

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