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    We might see 32-core Apple Silicon Macs and/with 16-core and 32-core GPUs late next year or early 2022:

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/12/7/2...ac-macbook-pro

    https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...ighest-end-pcs

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    "For later in 2021 or potentially 2022, Apple is working on pricier graphics upgrades with 64 and 128 dedicated cores aimed at its highest-end machines, the people said. Those graphics chips would be several times faster than the current graphics modules Apple uses from Nvidia and AMD in its Intel-powered hardware."
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    Since Apple is alleged to be working on a 128 core chip - ARM had those for about a year and a half now - it is exploring the server/cloud market. Marvell and Ampere have released their 96-cores and will/should soon release their 128-core versions too. Apple, however, will be the only one covering the entire CPU market, from the mobile phones to the multi-million dollar servers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DLD View Post
    Since Apple is alleged to be working on a 128 core chip - ARM had those for about a year and a half now - it is exploring the server/cloud market. Marvell and Ampere have released their 96-cores and will/should soon release their 128-core versions too. Apple, however, will be the only one covering the entire CPU market, from the mobile phones to the multi-million dollar servers.
    Apple? Servers? Probably only its own. It would be a long uphill battle to get into a small market with very different dynamics than iPads and iPhones, with opponents that have been serving that market for decades, and it's a market that is notoriously finicky about reliability and support. There's no enterprise that would give up having access to 24-hour on-site service in case of problems of any kind for any reason no matter how it's marketed. Apple wouldn't be able to compete with anyone on price, because reliability and support are far more important, and enterprise support has never been one of Apple's strengths. A dufous bar just doesn't cut it.

    My guess is that on the off chance that Apple is working on 128 core datacenter oriented processors, it's to build an IoT infrastructure for its iDevices and replace its workstation market with online services using its svelte devices as thin clients. Otherwise, it would be a huge investment in a trivial sized market that would take years to break into and where none of its strengths help.

    But Apple doesn't need to convince anyone of anything in order to get Apple processors into Apple's datacenters, and it doesn't need to build a large scale global network of people who can show up at your doorstep within four hours of a call at any time of day any day of the week including holidays to repair or replace a server because a mouse chewed through a cable or a transformer blew out a server or a spinning disk failed or whatever else went wrong.


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    https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/6848...e-m1-mac-mini/

    Well apparently Apple slipped in another surprise for us with M1. Unlike Intel machines with TB3 where every two ports use one TB controller the M1 has one controller per port. So the M1 Mini with two TB ports has as much external bandwidth as the Intel Mac Mini has with four TB ports. You do get 40gbps per port on the M1. I believe the same is true for the 13” MBP as well. Have not heard if it is true for the MBA.

    While they do have less physical ports with TB4 we finally have the ability to add hubs that add extra TB ports. Only having two ports suddenly doesn’t seem so bad anymore.


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    Apple? Servers? Probably only its own....
    On November 30, Amazon began to offer Mac Minis as part of its cloud service (announcement). And I can see them offering servers based on the M1, if technically possible, especially since they already offer ARM servers (Graviton).

    You're right that a company with its own data center would unlikely restock it with Macs. But most of the new tech companies don't build their own data centers. They rent them from one of the cloud companies: Amazon, Google, or Microsoft. And even the old companies are starting to move their stuff to those cloud providers.


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    Amazon is buying M1 minis to run OSX specific software. Very few datacenters fit that bill. There's also a very small chance that Apple would be willing to sell its processors to anyone to build their own servers around, both because Apple's SOC is optimized for its own use, and because Apple probably isn't interested in customizing processors to make anyone else happy, because the margins for its consumer electronics are higher.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Smet View Post
    https://eshop.macsales.com/blog/6848...e-m1-mac-mini/

    Well apparently Apple slipped in another surprise for us with M1. Unlike Intel machines with TB3 where every two ports use one TB controller the M1 has one controller per port. So the M1 Mini with two TB ports has as much external bandwidth as the Intel Mac Mini has with four TB ports. You do get 40gbps per port on the M1. I believe the same is true for the 13” MBP as well. Have not heard if it is true for the MBA.

    While they do have less physical ports with TB4 we finally have the ability to add hubs that add extra TB ports. Only having two ports suddenly doesn’t seem so bad anymore.
    This is excellent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamerlin View Post
    Apple? Servers? Probably only its own...
    iPhone + iCloud sounds like a winning combination. Apple moves quarter billion phones a year and iCloud already has close to a billion members.

    Google does the same thing and they also include a pro market. Apple isn't going to let it sit idly.


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    The M1 is an ideal chip for use in servers, many posts ago I guessed the market would move in this direction. Its a server the code can be written to serve (see what I did there ).
    Many moons ago at an SAP research lab PR event, Intel turned up giving there sales pitch on how they could coax their hardware to run a few degrees hotter, the promise was that this small increment could reduce power and cooling costs for large server farms.
    Now along comes the M1, very powerful and frugal on power with minimal heat output.
    If Apple doesn't reenter the server market perhaps Dell etc and hammering on their door to buy.


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