Go Back   DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking > Panasonic > HVX200/HPX170 > General 200/170 News, Comments, etc.

General 200/170 News, Comments, etc. 1080 24p. P2. revolution!

Reply
 
Bookmark and Share Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-15-2006, 08:49 AM   #1
Jarred Land
President/Founder
 
Jarred Land's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1975
Location: California
Posts: 87,446
Send a message via ICQ to Jarred Land Send a message via AIM to Jarred Land Send a message via MSN to Jarred Land Send a message via Yahoo to Jarred Land
Default 4400 Show uses HVX200

and the good old fig rig..


USA NETWORK’S HIT TELEVISION SERIES “THE 4400” ADOPTS
PANASONIC AG-HVX200 SOLID-STATE HD CAMCORDER FOR
CHALLENGING HANDHELD, POV AND ACTION WORK

Many of the most intense and kinetic scenes in the new season of the USA Network’s acclaimed supernatural series The 4400 have been captured with Panasonic’s AG-HVX200 DVCPRO HD solid-state camcorder. The 4400, which returned to air earlier this month, is broadcast on Sundays, 9 p.m. EST/9 p.m. PST/8 p.m. CST on USA Network.

After rigorous testing, Director of Photography Tony Westman and Digital Imaging Technician Chris Oben integrated the hand-held, production quality HVX200 camcorder into production of the third season of The 4400. Westman, an Academy Award nominee, is an award-winning Director of Photography with credits including The Sentinel, The Muppets Wizard of Oz and Dead Like Me. Longtime collaborators, Westman and Oben co-developed the Magic Lantern HD Framestore™ system, which enables full HD resolution playback on-set.

The 4400 is produced for USA Network by CBS Paramount Network Television in Association with Sky Television, Renegade 83, and American Zoetrope. Since its inception, the series has been shot on high definition cameras in Vancouver, Canada. The original six episodes were shot with two Thomson Vipers, while the second two seasons have used multiple Panavised Sony F900/3s. Season three will continue exploring the travails of the 4,400 abducted individuals who all at once returned in a ball of light to Earth. Though the returnees had not aged physically, many of them reappeared with dramatic abilities ranging from enhanced reflexes to precognition.

“As the DP of numerous television series, Tony Westman has long been awaiting a more portable HD camera. In the past, shots have often been compromised due to the sheer length and weight of an F900 with a normal matte box and onboard battery,” said DIT Oben. “When shooting film, Tony regularly uses his ‘Pogo-Cam,’ essentially a counterweighted post that the operator can literally run with. The ‘Pogo-Cam’ adds a kinetic element unlike a Steadicam™ or hand-held. This has been possible with 16mm and even 35mm Eyemos but not on HD – until the advent of the HVX200.”

The HVX200 uniquely combines multiple high definition and standard definition formats, multiple recording modes and variable frame rates, and the vast benefits of P2 solid-state memory recording in a rugged, compact design. The DVCPRO HD P2 camcorder offers production-quality HD with independent intra-frame encoding, 4:2:2 color sampling, and less compression, making HD content easier and faster to edit and more able to stand up to image compositing versus long GOP MPEG-2 systems.

“On the hunt for a handheld HD camera, especially to supplement our action work, we tested the Sony HDVZ1U HDV camera last season,” said Oben. “We looked at contrast and exposure, motion artifacting and overall image resolution and reproduction, and concluded that the camera did not meet our strict standards for motion and compression artifacting, particularly in 24 frame ‘Cinetone’ mode. Also, we felt that the ergonomics of the camera, such as the iris, focus and zoom controls, were not suited for the rigors of a production environment.

“We likewise tested the Panasonic AG-DVX100A Mini-DV 24p camera. While there was no comparison in image quality between the Standard Definition 1/3” CCDs of the DVX and the High Definition 2/3” CCDs of the F900, we did like the low light sensitivity and the look of the 24PA 2:3:3:2 pulldown when transferred to HDCAM. Additionally, the intuitive ergonomics of the DVX100A gave us confidence that the camera could be used in POV situations where an actor would be given a camera to operate, which we did in episode 8 of the second season.”

This third season brought a new round of tests, with the HVX200 becoming available just in time for pre-production earlier this year. DP Westman and DIT Oben oversaw a series of comprehensive camera workups with the HVX200, initially examining all the HD formats and frame rate under available daylight conditions.

“In testing, we shot with both available light in an uncontrolled outdoor environment and in a low-lit studio,” Oben recounted. “With the outdoor shots, we concentrated on how the HVX200 captured subjects in motion. After closely examining the footage at various shutter speeds and frame rates, it was apparent that the HVX200 DVCPRO HD output resolution of 1080 lines gave adequate vertical resolution and produced an image that had no dramatic compression, resolution or motion artifacts. Nor was there any discernible evidence of aliasing or quantizing.

“We then looked at the footage shot in the dramatic, low-light, studio scene and were immediately impressed. The images shot at preset tungsten white balance already looked very good without any specific adjustments other than exposure. Both color and contrast were acceptably reproduced and came quite close to matching images shot simultaneously with the F900.”

The cinematographers’ final round of tests assessed how well HVX200 footage would intercut with HDCAM acquired material.

“Our first ‘off the record’ use of the camera was in an action scene,” Oben said. “In the first episode of season three, the story calls for a scene where a footrace takes place. Tony felt this would be an ideal opportunity to test the HVX200 in the field, again in an available light situation. The scene would be shot concurrently with our two Panavised Sony F900s and the HVX200. The P2 camera would be used as a ‘chase’ cam. However, because the HVX200 was not officially on the day’s shot list, we literally had to gamble and shoot when the studio cameras were not rolling.

“During rehearsal for the running shot Tony asked our Steadicam™ operator, Robin Forst, to operate the P2 with a Fig-Rig [a circular camera mount designed by filmmaker Mike Figgis]. The Fig-Rig allowed Robin to hold the camera in positions not possible in handheld configuration. Robin was also able to truly run with the actor at a speed that could not be easily achieved with his Steadicam™ and the full-sized camera. Once the running footage was recorded, Tony decided to operate the P2 as a ‘C’ camera during the special effect shot of glass breaking.”

Oben continued, “This P2 footage was ingested into our G5 Framestore (with Final Cut Pro 5.04). Having the footage in FCP allowed me to create a rough edit, and the P2 material was intercut with compressed HDCAM, all on a DVCPRO HD timeline. The edit looked fantastic and with minor tweaking, I was able to bring the P2 footage into line (contrast and brightness) with the HDCAM. The kinetic energy of the P2 footage definitely added to the intensity of the scene, and even the breaking glass footage, which was a static shot, intercut nicely. The P2 material was sent to the lab along with the HDCAM tapes. When feedback arrived from post-production saying they loved the footage, this proved that our efforts with the HVX200 were paying off.

“Our success with the HVX200 to date led us to believe that the camera could stand up to the rigors of a sync sound scene. The F900s are quite cumbersome and long (over 3 feet in length with matte box and on-board battery), which normally means budgeting for the time-consuming use of a process trailer and ultimately shooting the scene from outside the car. Tony and the director of the episode agreed that in the interest of expediency we would shoot the scene from within the car using the HVX200. Tony’s challenge was to expose the interior of a vehicle that was passing in and out of sunlight with various hot or dark backgrounds.”

Oben added, “Our operator Robin Forst framed the shots from the back seat. An NTSC signal was transmitted to a follow vehicle that allowed Tony and the director to see the action and assess exposure. Once one side of the scene was recorded, we reviewed the footage directly from the HVX200 via the Y, Pb, Pr analog component cable. We could tell that the color tone and exposure were perfect in the sun, but that in the shade we were a little underexposed. Armed with this info, we set out to shoot the other side of the scene.”

With season three of The 4400 still in production in Vancouver, Oben uses the HVX200 at least one day per episode and declared that “it seems likely that more and more story points will be best captured with this technology.”

“With the HVX200, Panasonic has found an excellent balance between size and quality,” he said. “The DVCPRO HD codec stands up to the requirements of broadcast specifications and can be intercut with HDCAM-acquired footage.

“The best characteristic of the P2 is its compact size, affording us increased artistic choices, especially with handheld work, ‘actor action’ shots and POV work. Overall, we feel that using the HVX200 adds another color to the palette from which we make creative choices.”
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 4444.jpg (276.0 KB, 154 views)
__________________
.
Jarred Land is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2006, 09:39 AM   #2
David S.
Final Cut Moderator
 
David S.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Inland Northwest
Posts: 9,150
Default

Hmmm with a Fig Rig

Nice
David S. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2006, 09:53 AM   #3
Justin Marx
Senior Member
 
Justin Marx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South Florida
Posts: 666
Default

Yeah baby.. nothing like saying a $6000 camera can do things a $70,000 cant, and hold up to the footage of the $70,000 camera....... More like 100g's w/lens /accsrys..

The HVX rules again.........

- - Justin
Justin Marx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2006, 10:10 AM   #4
jeffyjones
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Posts: 221
Default

See, once the fear of the camera's size and P2 subsides, I can see people more comfortable with the camera as a tool for "real" work. I firmly believe that the only limiting factor is the size of the CCD's, and even then, that's a constraint for camera snobs and people that can afford more expensive cameras. ;)
jeffyjones is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2006, 11:30 AM   #5
darwinandpaine
Senior Member
 
darwinandpaine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Temecula, CA
Posts: 620
Default

My daughter and I watch this show --- it's cheasy-good! Go HVX!
__________________
"You don't need to follow anybody!" Brian
http://mrdeity.com
http://15minuteslatermovie.com/
darwinandpaine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2006, 03:41 PM   #6
HVXguy
Senior Member
 
HVXguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 894
Default

Yes, once the money people can see that they can keep more money in the pockets then it will get harder and harder to justify the expense of shooting with the more expensive cameras. You will always have the high ground but here we go closer to the middle.
HVXguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2007, 04:42 PM   #7
ProfessorU
Senior Member
 
ProfessorU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,322
Default

Giving this ancient thread a bump because I found the article myself and really enjoyed it, and the related pdf as well...
http://www.chrisoben.com/discovering...00_dcs_web.pdf
ProfessorU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2007, 01:03 AM   #8
NeverColdCall
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 197
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HVXguy View Post
Yes, once the money people can see that they can keep more money in the pockets then it will get harder and harder to justify the expense of shooting with the more expensive cameras. You will always have the high ground but here we go closer to the middle.
That's why I'll buy a 2nd (or 3rd!) HVX before I'll buy an HPX!!
__________________
Frank J. Rumbauskas Jr.
NY Times Bestselling Author of
"Never Cold Call Again"
NeverColdCall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2007, 08:57 AM   #9
Sanchez
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: x0|Norfolk|USA||0|0|VA,Virginia
Posts: 115
Send a message via ICQ to Sanchez
Default

USA just announced they are cancelling the series ... don't know why though --
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------

www.filamtelevision.com
www.pinoyproductions.com

HVX200 + AVID HD
Sanchez is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-21-2007, 12:35 PM   #10
ProfessorU
Senior Member
 
ProfessorU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 1,322
Default

We are in the middle of a giant strike, that could be part of it.
ProfessorU is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:32 AM.


All Material Copyright 2009. DVXuser and Landmine Media