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Beat Takeshi · 03-09-2006, 09:59 AM

Has anyone done this extensively? Im just getting into it but its hard to find a lot of info on it. I bought the Gnomens Matchmoving 101 DVD and a book that still hasnt come yet but Im looking for some other links to stuff like this.

oneinfiniteloop · 03-09-2006, 10:20 AM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078...ode=prolost-20

Here is a really good book on the subject. He works at The Orphanage and he is considered one of the best...he's probably worked on tons of big name movies.

What software are you using? 2d like AE or Shake, or full 3D like boujou or pftrack?

A little more FYI, Pixel Corps just released a special version of boujou bullet (which retails for $2k) for only $399. You also get a free 3 month membership and they have hundreds of hours of tutorials from pro's on everything.

Check it out...http://www.pixelcorps.com/boujou_overview.php

Beat Takeshi · 03-09-2006, 01:06 PM

This is the book I ordered like a month ago on amazon and still havnt got it yet. I think there is a day left before the projected delivery date though. I paid for overnight but WTF, they have me waiting anyway. Tomorrow I think im going to cancel the order and go to B&N and order it. They dont keep this one in stock.
I saw some work on boujou that looks great from Psyop. Stash DVD magazine did a screening and they invited them and another motion graphics house to come down and talk about some techniques. This is what got me into it in the first place.
I would be using either Combustion or Matchmover pro for now.
$400 is pretty good deal just for the tutes I guess. hmmmmm i have to shift some monies around.

kai · 03-10-2006, 06:43 AM

I've toyed with Boujou, but haven't really dived in head first yet. I haven't had a need for it yet. From what I saw though it look to be pretty in depth and the possibilities are great.

Aram, glad to see another Stash subscriber on here! They're like my video inspiration injections

There's some craaaZy shops out there.

Greggl · 03-10-2006, 05:13 PM

I specialize in 2d/3d integration and tracking/matchmoving is a huge part of that.
It definately is a black art. If you're going to get deep into it or are considering
'going pro' as a tracker.. let me know. The specialist integration guys like myself
are a VERY short list.

Someday I need to actually get some info up on my site:
http://www.matchmove.com as its pretty ancient.

The 'automagic' apps are pretty neat and a time saver at this point, but if
you really want to learn to track, you gotta become an expert at 2d tracking,
the camera and channel controls in the major 3d apps, 2d compositing
packages, on set shooting techniques, scanning issues, camera optics and
in most cases, virtual set modeling using 'through the lens' modeling
techniques.

Tracking is a pretty cool specialty though. Its been extremely good to me.

Beat Takeshi · 03-11-2006, 08:22 PM

Dude, I'm going to take you up on that offer. I have an ending shot for my Herofest short thats going to need some matchmoving. Maybe we can talk about how to set that up and what I need to know to execute it correctly.
Thanks!

ChuckS · 03-12-2006, 11:27 AM

Gregg, you mentioned Dinosaur and Gone in 60 Seconds on you site, do you know Chris Woods?

Greggl · 03-12-2006, 11:42 AM

Dont think so... was he one of the TSL/Dreamqest crew?

Rich Lee · 03-12-2006, 12:59 PM

boujou rocks...i have used it allot, amazing tool.

its pricy though...

some guys i know really really like Syntheyes...and its fairly cheap...399.

http://www.ssontech.com/

MrPolarBare · 03-17-2006, 03:15 PM

I never hear anything about Maya Live. Is it not adequate as a 3d tracker? Even when I was in school a few years back, where we learned Maya (it was version 4 back then) and Shake (2.6), we didn't use Maya Live for our little 3d tracking class we had. We used something else. So what's the deal, does it suck?

03-09-2006, 09:59 AM	#1
Beat Takeshi Two-Hip Shakur Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: On the edge Posts: 6,005	Black Magic of Match Moving Has anyone done this extensively? Im just getting into it but its hard to find a lot of info on it. I bought the Gnomens Matchmoving 101 DVD and a book that still hasnt come yet but Im looking for some other links to stuff like this. __________________ RED#1277 available for rent "DONNYBROOK" shot in the Bronx ~GET HOOKED ON CRACK~

03-09-2006, 01:06 PM	#3
Beat Takeshi Two-Hip Shakur Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: On the edge Posts: 6,005	This is the book I ordered like a month ago on amazon and still havnt got it yet. I think there is a day left before the projected delivery date though. I paid for overnight but WTF, they have me waiting anyway. Tomorrow I think im going to cancel the order and go to B&N and order it. They dont keep this one in stock. I saw some work on boujou that looks great from Psyop. Stash DVD magazine did a screening and they invited them and another motion graphics house to come down and talk about some techniques. This is what got me into it in the first place. I would be using either Combustion or Matchmover pro for now. $400 is pretty good deal just for the tutes I guess. hmmmmm i have to shift some monies around. __________________ RED#1277 available for rent "DONNYBROOK" shot in the Bronx ~GET HOOKED ON CRACK~

03-10-2006, 06:43 AM	#4
kai After FX Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tulsa, USA Posts: 3,512	I've toyed with Boujou, but haven't really dived in head first yet. I haven't had a need for it yet. From what I saw though it look to be pretty in depth and the possibilities are great. Aram, glad to see another Stash subscriber on here! They're like my video inspiration injections There's some craaaZy shops out there. __________________ www.kylestauffer.com

03-10-2006, 05:13 PM	#5
Greggl Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Santa Monica/Key West Posts: 606	I specialize in 2d/3d integration and tracking/matchmoving is a huge part of that. It definately is a black art. If you're going to get deep into it or are considering 'going pro' as a tracker.. let me know. The specialist integration guys like myself are a VERY short list. Someday I need to actually get some info up on my site: http://www.matchmove.com as its pretty ancient. The 'automagic' apps are pretty neat and a time saver at this point, but if you really want to learn to track, you gotta become an expert at 2d tracking, the camera and channel controls in the major 3d apps, 2d compositing packages, on set shooting techniques, scanning issues, camera optics and in most cases, virtual set modeling using 'through the lens' modeling techniques. Tracking is a pretty cool specialty though. Its been extremely good to me. __________________ "Look, I hate Los Angeles, like everybody else.. but I have to work here because in any other part of the country I'm unemployable..." - Matt, Studio 60.

03-11-2006, 08:22 PM	#6
Beat Takeshi Two-Hip Shakur Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: On the edge Posts: 6,005	Dude, I'm going to take you up on that offer. I have an ending shot for my Herofest short thats going to need some matchmoving. Maybe we can talk about how to set that up and what I need to know to execute it correctly. Thanks! __________________ RED#1277 available for rent "DONNYBROOK" shot in the Bronx ~GET HOOKED ON CRACK~

03-09-2006, 10:20 AM	#2
oneinfiniteloop Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 2,376	http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078...ode=prolost-20 Here is a really good book on the subject. He works at The Orphanage and he is considered one of the best...he's probably worked on tons of big name movies. What software are you using? 2d like AE or Shake, or full 3D like boujou or pftrack? A little more FYI, Pixel Corps just released a special version of boujou bullet (which retails for $2k) for only $399. You also get a free 3 month membership and they have hundreds of hours of tutorials from pro's on everything. Check it out...http://www.pixelcorps.com/boujou_overview.php

03-12-2006, 11:27 AM	#7
ChuckS Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,507	Gregg, you mentioned Dinosaur and Gone in 60 Seconds on you site, do you know Chris Woods? __________________ Cap'n Jolly Daryl Barbossa

03-12-2006, 11:42 AM	#8
Greggl Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Santa Monica/Key West Posts: 606	Dont think so... was he one of the TSL/Dreamqest crew? __________________ "Look, I hate Los Angeles, like everybody else.. but I have to work here because in any other part of the country I'm unemployable..." - Matt, Studio 60.

03-12-2006, 12:59 PM	#9
Rich Lee I shoot Pirates. Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,573	boujou rocks...i have used it allot, amazing tool. its pricy though... some guys i know really really like Syntheyes...and its fairly cheap...399. http://www.ssontech.com/ __________________ www.richlee.com Photos IMDB Page www.dnala.com

03-17-2006, 03:15 PM	#10
MrPolarBare Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Clermont, FL Posts: 270	I never hear anything about Maya Live. Is it not adequate as a 3d tracker? Even when I was in school a few years back, where we learned Maya (it was version 4 back then) and Shake (2.6), we didn't use Maya Live for our little 3d tracking class we had. We used something else. So what's the deal, does it suck? Last edited by MrPolarBare; 03-17-2006 at 03:18 PM.

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