MJPEG 70mbits+ 1080p settings - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

PappasArts · 06-11-2010, 02:22 PM

THIS THREAD IS FOR THE NEW HIGH BIT-RATE MJPEG SETTINGS/FORMULA I CAME UP WITH- IT'S AN ONGOING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT-
POST FEED BACK ABOUT YOUR RESULTS AND ANALYSIS.

THESE SETTINGS ALLOW FOR PRISTINE 70+ MBIT 1080P/30FPS AND 720P/30FPS IN 4:2:2 COLOR SPACE

At the bottom of this post are my settings, updates and new findings...

MJPEG 720P + 1080P high bit rate footage-stills & comparisons thread for sharing tests.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=212609

720P Hi-Mbit examples.
Examples of stuff shot at High bit rate 720P
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...3&postcount=44
Blowup test of 720P
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...5&postcount=29

***UPDATE*** JUNE 11th 10:30PM
I tested the 1440X1080. It worked- So now instead set at 1440X1080 instead of 1920X800-
1920X800 works fine, however 1440XX1080 is a standard

***UPDATE***JUNE12th
Tester13 has added the MJPEG settings in the updated PTool 3.36.
You no longer need to have the older Ptool. This is great, since this
will help in parallel development of both MJPEG & AVCHD.

LINK to full size images.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...4&postcount=71
LINK to VIDEO FILE of example pic posted
http://www.sendspace.com/file/1tigvj

******THESE ARE THE SETTINGS TO USE AS OF JUNE 11TH for 1080P/30fps 80Mbit******

Settings for achieving 1920X1080-30P Finale V.1 [ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED ]
Current PTool NEEDED [ You no longer need to have the older Ptool ]

**UPDATE JUNE16TH - I don't recommend the 4:2:2 setting at this time- The Mjpeg data rate being this high already
shows brilliant color and edges. Test done today over and over have shown mixed results with 4:2:2 enabled. So I
suggest to not use it. It' also overloads the codec as well on 1440X1080 HDCAM squeeze process

***METHOD 1. 1440X1080P HDCAM FRAME SQUEEZE METHOD

MJPEG 1280p width - input 1440
MJPEG 1280p height - input 1080
MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT
MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL - THIS ADDS OVERHEAD TO THE BITRATE- IN 1080P I DON'T SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY- MORE RESEARCH NEEDED-
QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ]
TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ]

**METHOD 2. 1280X1080P DVCPROHD SQUEEZE FRAME METHOD- This process gives a little more head room if you choose 4:2:2 color space than Method 1.
Remember 4:2:2 adds more data, and is still under research and not recommended. For best bandwidth performance- Don't use 4:2:2 in either 1080P squeeze mode.

MJPEG 1280p width - input 1280
MJPEG 1280p height - input 1080
MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT
MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL - THIS ADDS OVERHEAD TO THE BITRATE- IN 1080P I DON'T SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY- MORE RESEARCH NEEDED-
QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ]
TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ]

[ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED TO USE THESE SETTINGS ]

** 720P/30 AT 80Mbits MODE-- Advantage to this mode is the amount of Mbits per pixel is much higher than 1080 at the same Mbits data rate- Also in
720P you can shoot in all slow shutter speeds ( 1080P can't go lower than 1/30th or camera will freeze ).

Settings for achieving 1280X720-30P
Current PTool NEEDED

MJPEG 1280p width - LEAVE UNSELECTED
MJPEG 1280p height - LEAVE UNSELECTED
MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT
MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL
QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ]
TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ]

This mode give you a glorious 720P at a very high bit rate.

[ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED TO USE THESE SETTINGS ]

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*****INFORMATION AN PERFORMANCE FINDINGS*****

*As with 1080 AVCHD you can not shoot below 1/30th in 1080P. If you do,
it either stops or freezes the camera.

If you shoot at 720 in the 80Mbits mode you can shoot at all shutter speeds with no issue.

Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
http://www.PappasArts.com

Asiertxu · 06-11-2010, 03:37 PM

Hi there Pappas!
I just downloaded your video file of the "box".
Very very nice and crisp footage there

.
It isin´t necesary at all to sharpen the footage in post as has very fine detail in it already!! even after reescaling the picture in vertical to get FULL HD aspect ratio looks to me VERY good...
Thanks alot to take your time at it!!
Cheers...
Asier.

blazer003 · 06-11-2010, 03:42 PM

I may have missed it somewhere in the notes, but what is the limit on recording time?

PappasArts · 06-11-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asiertxu

Hi there Pappas!
I just downloaded your video file of the "box".
Very very nice and crisp footage there

.
It isin´t necesary at all to sharpen the footage in post as has very fine detail in it already!! even after reescaling the picture in vertical to get FULL HD aspect ratio looks to me VERY good...
Thanks alot to take your time at it!!
Cheers...
Asier.

Your welcome. I didn't say a word until I felt it was 90% sure this was working I had been at this every day for quite awhile. Banging away at it, and racking my brain over how to get this to work.

Here are frames of a clip I just shot moments ago. This file was 79.28 mbits/s video. VIVITAR MACRO LENS used..

Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

PappasArts · 06-11-2010, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazer003

I may have missed it somewhere in the notes, but what is the limit on recording time?

I shot a 75mbit clip that was 3:26second earlier, and I stopped the camera.

Pappas

Asiertxu · 06-11-2010, 03:51 PM

Ah !
I would like to try out your settings for Mjpeg Pappas, but I haven´t got Ptool required version, the older one that allows you to change aspect ratio (PTool 3.33).

Is there any chance to downlad this older PTool version anywere?

Thakyou very much!
Asier.

Asiertxu · 06-11-2010, 03:58 PM

WOW and WOW I MUST to say!!
Definitelly I´d MUST to give it a try!! hehehe....
I understand you when you weren´t sure to say somethig about the correct and stable performance of these very new settings as they must be tested CAREFULLY before say anything...;).

Thanks again and keep it up!
Asier.

PappasArts · 06-11-2010, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asiertxu

Ah !
I would like to try out your settings for Mjpeg Pappas, but I haven´t got Ptool required version, the older one that allows you to change aspect ratio (PTool 3.33).

Is there any chance to downlad this older PTool version anywere?

Thakyou very much!
Asier.

Tester13 is person to go to. Make a request for him to put those settings back into the Ptool that were in 3.3.

Pappas

PappasArts · 06-11-2010, 10:44 PM

***UPDATE*** JUNE 11th 10:30PM
I tested the 1440X1080. It worked- So now instead set at 1440X1080 instead of 1920X800-

I changed the front page to show this. I'm also trying a new set of numbers.

1440X1080 allows the GH1 to do 80mbit MJPEG as the previous, 1920X800 that worked fine, however 1440XX1080 is a standard and I hadn't fully tested tell now.

As before you need to use Ptool 3.3, order version. This allows you to set different frame dimensions.

Pappas

PappasArts · 06-12-2010, 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asiertxu

Hi there Pappas!
I just downloaded your video file of the "box".
Very very nice and crisp footage there

.
It isin´t necesary at all to sharpen the footage in post as has very fine detail in it already!! even after reescaling the picture in vertical to get FULL HD aspect ratio looks to me VERY good...
Thanks alot to take your time at it!!
Cheers...
Asier.

Un-sharp mask ( USM ) would work fine. I did it to a few test files IN AE it and adds just a slight extra punch. With MJPEG at this high bit rate you can get away with USM.

Pappas

06-11-2010, 02:22 PM	#1
PappasArts Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: x0\|newportbeach\|USA\|\|0\|0\|CA,California Posts: 1,887	MJPEG 70mbits+ 1080p settings THIS THREAD IS FOR THE NEW HIGH BIT-RATE MJPEG SETTINGS/FORMULA I CAME UP WITH- IT'S AN ONGOING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT- POST FEED BACK ABOUT YOUR RESULTS AND ANALYSIS. THESE SETTINGS ALLOW FOR PRISTINE 70+ MBIT 1080P/30FPS AND 720P/30FPS IN 4:2:2 COLOR SPACE At the bottom of this post are my settings, updates and new findings... MJPEG 720P + 1080P high bit rate footage-stills & comparisons thread for sharing tests. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=212609 720P Hi-Mbit examples. Examples of stuff shot at High bit rate 720P http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...3&postcount=44 Blowup test of 720P http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...5&postcount=29 *UPDATE* JUNE 11th 10:30PM I tested the 1440X1080. It worked- So now instead set at 1440X1080 instead of 1920X800- 1920X800 works fine, however 1440XX1080 is a standard *UPDATEJUNE12th Tester13 has added the MJPEG settings in the updated PTool 3.36. You no longer need to have the older Ptool. This is great, since this will help in parallel development of both MJPEG & AVCHD. LINK to full size images. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.p...4&postcount=71 LINK to VIDEO FILE of example pic posted http://www.sendspace.com/file/1tigvj ***THESE ARE THE SETTINGS TO USE AS OF JUNE 11TH for 1080P/30fps 80Mbit** Settings for achieving 1920X1080-30P Finale V.1 [ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED ] Current PTool NEEDED [ You no longer need to have the older Ptool ] UPDATE JUNE16TH - I don't recommend the 4:2:2 setting at this time- The Mjpeg data rate being this high already shows brilliant color and edges. Test done today over and over have shown mixed results with 4:2:2 enabled. So I suggest to not use it. It' also overloads the codec as well on 1440X1080 HDCAM squeeze process *METHOD 1. 1440X1080P HDCAM FRAME SQUEEZE METHOD MJPEG 1280p width - input 1440 MJPEG 1280p height - input 1080 MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL - THIS ADDS OVERHEAD TO THE BITRATE- IN 1080P I DON'T SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY- MORE RESEARCH NEEDED- QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ] TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ] METHOD 2. 1280X1080P DVCPROHD SQUEEZE FRAME METHOD- This process gives a little more head room if you choose 4:2:2 color space than Method 1. Remember 4:2:2 adds more data, and is still under research and not recommended. For best bandwidth performance- Don't use 4:2:2 in either 1080P squeeze mode. MJPEG 1280p width - input 1280 MJPEG 1280p height - input 1080 MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL - THIS ADDS OVERHEAD TO THE BITRATE- IN 1080P I DON'T SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY- MORE RESEARCH NEEDED- QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ] TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ] [ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED TO USE THESE SETTINGS ] 720P/30 AT 80Mbits MODE-- Advantage to this mode is the amount of Mbits per pixel is much higher than 1080 at the same Mbits data rate- Also in 720P you can shoot in all slow shutter speeds ( 1080P can't go lower than 1/30th or camera will freeze ). Settings for achieving 1280X720-30P Current PTool NEEDED MJPEG 1280p width - LEAVE UNSELECTED MJPEG 1280p height - LEAVE UNSELECTED MJPEG SIZE 1280m - SELECT MJPEG 4:2:2- SELECTION IS OPTIONAL QUALITY SETTINGS [ 384, 330, 300, 276 ] TABLE SETTINGS [ 24, 24, 24, 24 ] This mode give you a glorious 720P at a very high bit rate. [ CLASS 10 HIGH QUALITY CARD NEEDED TO USE THESE SETTINGS ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- *INFORMATION AN PERFORMANCE FINDINGS*** As with 1080 AVCHD you can not shoot below 1/30th in 1080P. If you do, it either stops or freezes the camera. If you shoot at 720 in the 80Mbits mode you can shoot at all shutter speeds with no issue. Michael Pappas http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms Arrfilms@hotmail.com http://www.PappasArts.com __________________ """You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it"" Last edited by PappasArts; 06-25-2010 at 07:29 PM.*

06-11-2010, 10:44 PM	#9
PappasArts Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: x0\|newportbeach\|USA\|\|0\|0\|CA,California Posts: 1,887	*UPDATE* JUNE 11th 10:30PM I tested the 1440X1080. It worked- So now instead set at 1440X1080 instead of 1920X800- I changed the front page to show this. I'm also trying a new set of numbers. 1440X1080 allows the GH1 to do 80mbit MJPEG as the previous, 1920X800 that worked fine, however 1440XX1080 is a standard and I hadn't fully tested tell now. As before you need to use Ptool 3.3, order version. This allows you to set different frame dimensions. Pappas __________________ """You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and before you even knew what you had you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now you're selling it""

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06-11-2010, 03:37 PM	#2
Asiertxu Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 21	Hi there Pappas! I just downloaded your video file of the "box". Very very nice and crisp footage there . It isin´t necesary at all to sharpen the footage in post as has very fine detail in it already!! even after reescaling the picture in vertical to get FULL HD aspect ratio looks to me VERY good... Thanks alot to take your time at it!! Cheers... Asier.

06-11-2010, 03:42 PM	#3
blazer003 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 70	I may have missed it somewhere in the notes, but what is the limit on recording time?

06-11-2010, 03:51 PM	#6
Asiertxu Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 21	Ah ! I would like to try out your settings for Mjpeg Pappas, but I haven´t got Ptool required version, the older one that allows you to change aspect ratio (PTool 3.33). Is there any chance to downlad this older PTool version anywere? Thakyou very much! Asier.

06-11-2010, 03:58 PM	#7
Asiertxu Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 21	WOW and WOW I MUST to say!! Definitelly I´d MUST to give it a try!! hehehe.... I understand you when you weren´t sure to say somethig about the correct and stable performance of these very new settings as they must be tested CAREFULLY before say anything...;). Thanks again and keep it up! Asier.