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Old 11-21-2007, 10:12 AM   #1
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Default Warning Fcp 6.0.2 Do Not Upgrade!!!!

FCP 6.0.2 using Mac OS 10.4.11 will give you Log ad Transfer issues.

Your footage may or may not show up in the Log and Transfer window.

Apple has no solution for the problem other than going back a version on FCP.

Just a friendly warning.

Proceed with caution.
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Old 11-21-2007, 10:29 AM   #2
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Yes and boy oh boy did I find that out!

I did my first job as a steadicam operator on a feature being shot here in the UK on Saturday. Copied the P2 footage onto a laptop, then onto an external drive for the director.

Came home, and when I tried to import it into FCP, nothing. Gave me a heart attack! Eventually got it on there with a lot of sweat and grey hairs shooting out everywhere.

Nothing wrong with what I did, just that I upgraded FCP to 6.02 and the log and transfer isn't working properly!
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:01 PM   #3
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I had the same problem using 10.5.1 and FCP 6.0.2 on my powerbook. I was on a location shoot in Miami over the weekend and I was very nervous when my footage would not show up. Luckily I saved everything to a firewire hard drive and hooked it up to my C2D 24" iMac running 10.5.1 and FCP 6.0.1 and everything worked fine. That was a huge weight off my shoulders.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:35 PM   #4
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[begin broken record]

Get Raylight, and all this will disappear. Raylight fixes every problem that Apple seems to introduce. It seems like every other version Apple breaks something in their log & transfer/import P2 functionality. Raylight has been stable and fixes all that, plus it lets you avoid all the duplicate file size stuff and the time it takes to import footage.

Now more than ever I consider Raylight a mandatory portion of an FCP workflow.

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Old 11-21-2007, 02:02 PM   #5
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Hey Barry

A quick Raylight question or questions.

Raylight is a way to access your P2 footage without changing or converting it in any way?

I guess what I want to know is does it actually remove the pulldown or just let FCP see it that way.

Can Raylight in any way change the information I save from each P2 card dump to my hard drive.

I downloaded the demo but am still a bit confused.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:10 PM   #6
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FCP does a translation of MXF files into Quicktime files all in one go. Raylight does it on-the-fly, as-needed. So your original footage stays untouched in MXF format, but Raylight creates a Quicktime reference file that FCP can use.

The difference is that you get instantaneous access to your footage, instead of having to go through the Log & Transfer process. And you can work from the original footage or even the P2 cards if you want, whereas FCP's Log & Transfer forces you to take up twice as much space by creating Quicktime files (which take up space but also take time). Plus, because you avoid the whole Log & Transfer process, you avoid any issues that crop up when Apple breaks their system (which has happened on more than one occasion).

So Raylight doesn't change anything. Your original footage stays intact, unmodified, untouched. But it can automatically skip 24pA pulldown, which is very nice and gives you access to the true pure raw 24P footage.
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Old 11-27-2007, 04:51 PM   #7
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1.) Is this the Raylight program:

http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/index.htm

2.) As far as I understand it, Final Cut Pro 6.02 is necessary to work with AVCHD. If 6.02 will cause problems with P2 media, does anyone have any advice for how to ingest AVCHD footage without doing the upgrade?

Thanks!!!
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:19 PM   #8
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The FCP 6.0.2 Log and Transfer problem is caused by a conflict with FxFactory from Noise Industries. Both Niclas Bahn, developer of the app, as well as Apple are aware and there should be a fix very soon from Niclas. Meanwhile, remove the FXFactory plug-in from the Library->Plug Ins->FxPlug folder and you should have no problem ingesting P2.

Having said that, Raylight is a great solution for dealing natively with MXF files.

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Here's an official word from Apple on the subject along with a guide on how to take care of the issue:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307062

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Old 11-27-2007, 07:28 PM   #10
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1.) Is this the Raylight program:

http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/index.htm
That's for Windows. There's a different version for the Mac. http://www.dvfilm.com/raylight/mac/index.htm
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