super 16 question

[hmfilmer]

Does "super 16" mean it can record sound, or is that depend on the camera? what 16 camera can record sound? thanks

hmfilmer

[-zach-]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_16

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movie_c...ynchronisation

[hmfilmer]

what does the "super" mean, in 16, is it just a small format or what?

[zoostory]

1) Film cameras don't record sound. Not 16, s16, 35mm.
2) Sound is recorded dual source for film, onto Mag or a digital recorder
2a) Sound is only attached to film for Final Prints in post production. The only formats that can contain sound are regular 16mm - mono or DTS only and 35mm.
3) 16mm is dual perf (sprocket holes on both sides of the film) and is 4x3 aspect ratio.
4) Back in the day, to get widescreen with a cheaper film, 16mm, some bright people took the sprocked holes off of one side and made the film single perf but, they added more film to shoot on. So with a modified camera gate, you can capture higher rez images at a widescreen ratio, similar to 35mm and 16x9.
5) Please note that super16 is NEVER for projection. Sound cannot go on it. So your choices are twofold: you telecine to a digital or tape format and never go back to film, or you blow up your super 16mm to 35mm for a theatrical print, like Leaving Las Vegas or Pi did.


Hope this helps.

[hmfilmer]

so regular super 16 camera can not record sound? just regular 16?

[GaryinCalifornia]

There was an old 16mm film camera that did record sound to a mag stripe on the side of the film... much like a 8mm or Super 8 cameras... but that is long gone... in the 16mm world and I think it was never in the 35mm world of film...

Plus I forget how far your sound is a head of your picture due to running through a projector... if I remember right its 18 frames ahead... so your cut would have to always be 18 frames ahead of where you want it... unless now your cutting on a NLE and had the footage transfered to video... or a hard drive...

I think the reason for the single source was in the old days TV crews shot with film cameras... that way they could rush it to the lab and save time syncing the audio for broadcast that night or day... and for also just having a one man film/tv crew to cover stories...

I remember my uncle had one... because I was going to do a music video for a friend who didn't have much money and was trying to save him transfer to video time...

That's when my uncle told me had just sold this old 16mm camera that recorded the sound on the film... two days before we talked about it...

[zoostory]

...but now, in this day NO FILM CAMERA RECORDS SOUND. And if it does for some strange archaic reason, you wouldn't use that sound anyway. Sounds like you got a lot to learn about film before approaching its use.

[hmfilmer]

So you now, people who want to film a video in 16mm have to record the sound on something else? your right i do have alot to learn about film i am just got into it and have no experience with film cameras. but i just got into it like 6 month ago.

[-zach-]

So you now, people who want to film a video in 16mm have to record the sound on something else?

If you want a video, shoot video.

If you're filming in 16mm, it's a film.

"DAT" recorders are what most big budget movies use, I don't know if they are called that anymore, but if you google that you'll probably have a bunch of hits.

your right i do have alot to learn about film i am just got into it and have no experience with film cameras. but i just got into it like 6 month ago.

Start with a cheaper digital camera.

3k to invest may seem like alot now, but down the road it will pay for itself where film costs would have soared throug the roof.

[hmfilmer]

i have been working with ditgal cameras. but i wont start with 16mm camera right off, but i will probably start with super 8 or something, i mainly just want to have idea what film camera to use if i were to shot in 16mm and still have sound. sorry i am newbie with film stuff. but thank you for explaining to me.

hmfilmer