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    AFTER CLASS - snodart & Tim Young
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    You can download the Drama-Fest entries here:
    http://www.dvxuser.com/dramafest/

    2/15/2007: After Class can now be viewed here:
    http://snodart.com/shorts.php

    After Class is the third from the bottom on the list.



    Created by Tim Young & Justin Snodgrass (creators of CACHE)


    CAST
    David Concannon
    Jacob Westerberg
    Hanna Snodgrass

    CREW
    Justin Snodgrass (Written by, DP, edit)
    Tim Young (Written by, DP, sound & score)
    Richard Spencer (location sound, grip)
    David Concannon (Makeup)

    SPECIAL THANKS
    Oak Glen School House Museum
    Amy Snodgrass
    Amber Young
    Mary Ellen Westerberg


    SCREEN CAPS









    We had a rough start on this one, but thanks to the tremendous effort of everyone involved, we were able to get everything shot.

    Tim is currently working on the sound and score, and I am finishing up with the color correction.

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    BTS PICS

    Jacob patiently waiting.



    China ball invasion.


    David Concannon, the man of many faces. From school teacher to
    world leader in seconds.


    David gets Hanna ready for her shot.


    David Concannon and Tim Young discuss character
    motivation. The Marshall monitor (foreground) was
    a rental.. and a huge plus for pulling focus with
    a 35mm adapter.


    Tim Young (camera), Rich Spencer (boom), and
    Jacob Westerberg (at desk).


    Me with the DVX, indifocus, and Snod35.


    Dave and Tim.


    Dave and Jacob synchronized snacking.



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    Me going over the character of Eric with Jacob.


    Tim setting up for a shot.


    Below is a good pic of the basic lighting set-up that we ended up using.
    The first day that we tried shooting, we used one 500W Lowel Omni,
    a 500W Lowel Omni with soft box, and one of the small China balls.
    It was working okay until the sun vanished. In the end, we ended
    up using 3 China balls and one 500W Lowel Omni with soft box. The
    500W soft box set-up looked like a night light compared to the
    China balls.
    You can also see one of the sound blankets that we had to use. The
    hardwood floors and flat ceiling made for some nasty echo.


    Dave was good to provide motivation as needed. There is a pretty funny
    outtake of one of his methods. We will have to wait until after the
    viewing begins to show it though.


    Hanna at the mic. Tim will have to
    break down our modified shotgun mic set-up.


    Here we are looking confused as to why the Marshall had a purple tinge.
    We never did figure it out. Abuse from being rented I guess.
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    Hanna at the mic. Tim will have to break down our modified shotgun mic set-up.
    our mic is an oktava mc-012 with a hypercardioid capsule. i bought it a long time ago (close to 10 years) to use to record acoustic guitar. it's a great mic. when we started making shorts we used it just because i had it, but when we started to come to dvxuser i was surprised to see that a lot of people were using it for sound with the dvx. it's a great value, and comparable to mics that are much more expensive. i paid only $50 for it at guitar center. i think they're still available at guitar center, but the problem with buying them there is that oktava apparently has poor quality control, and you can get a dud. i had read about this when i bought mine, so i bought three of them, brought them home and tested them, chose one, and took the other 2 back. in reality though they all sounded good. there's a place online called the sound room that tests all of their oktava mics before selling them. they're oktava specialists and most people recommend that you buy from them instead of guitar center. i guess it matters how much of a risk you're willing to take. the mics at the sound room are $173, so they're still really cheap compared to other good hypercardiod mics. if i bought another one i would buy from the sound room. the only issue with the oktava is that it's very sensitive to movement, so it needs a really good suspension system. i use a 20mm k-tek ksm shock mount (the kssm is shorter and is what most people use with the oktava, but i wanted the longer shock mount for when we buy a shotgun mic) with soft rubber bands, a k-tek internally wired boom pole, and a rycote baby ball gag windscreen. i either bought this stuff at trew audio or b&h photo - i can't remember. the suspension system really is key for this mic to sound good. i think that's the case with any hypercardioid or shotgun mic. but anyway if my math is right i think i ended up paying about $500 for this setup (it would be a little over $600 if you bought the mic from the sound room), which is a good price for a nice hypercardiod with a boom and suspension system. another thing to mention is that it requires phantom power, which the dvx has.


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    Timur and Mark, i too just checked out your thread, and those are some great looking caps. Timur, I noticed your lens kit. we just put together a small Canon FD lens kit. not as extensive as yours, but some similarities:

    Canon FDn 35mm F2.0
    Canon FDn 50mm F 1.4
    Canon FDn 100mm F2.0

    we mostly used the 50mm on after class, because we didn't get the other lenses in time, but we did some tests recently and are excited about the kit. seems like they're a great deal for the price, and a good match for a 35mm adapter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Young
    ...and a rycote baby ball gag windscreen.
    Tim,

    Thank you for the informative audio set up for your shoot.

    How did you like the sound using the Octava? Did you 'bracket' the audio?

    And do you find that you need the Rycote BBG for indoors? We use the Octava as well, and find it to be very good, but I have not yet invested in the BBG.

    Thanks,

    RobertE


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    Quote Originally Posted by jeremytuttle
    What kind of jib/crane are you using? Do you like how it works?
    The jib is a DIY job. You can check out some of the details on this page of my website:

    http://snodart.com/hbe_jib.php

    It took about 4 months of research, trial and error, and actual building to get it done. In the end though, it works like a champ and we use it a ton.

    I also built a heafty tripod for the jib:

    http://snodart.com/hbe_tripod.php

    I have some more work to do on the Snod35 and then next on the list is a DIY steadicam (from Cody Deegan's plans).

    Quote Originally Posted by RobertE
    Tim,

    Thank you for the informative audio set up for your shoot.

    How did you like the sound using the Octava? Did you 'bracket' the audio?

    And do you find that you need the Rycote BBG for indoors? We use the Octava as well, and find it to be very good, but I have not yet invested in the BBG.

    Thanks,

    RobertE
    Tim will give you the details, but I can say that when we first got the shock mount, BBG, and windscreen we took it for a test run. We held it out the window of my van to see just how much wind noise there would be. We made it to around 30MPH before hearing any, and the audio quality was still great.

    Quote Originally Posted by TimurCivan
    the 35mm F2.0 is one o the best lenses canon made. its bokeh is outright gorgeous. it looks like Zeiss Masterprimes. perect out of focus circles, but with hard edges like discs. ITS amazing.
    That's good to hear. We haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Tim did a good job of researching lenses before we started buying. You have to love the internet for that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertE
    Tim,

    Thank you for the informative audio set up for your shoot.

    How did you like the sound using the Octava? Did you 'bracket' the audio?

    And do you find that you need the Rycote BBG for indoors? We use the Octava as well, and find it to be very good, but I have not yet invested in the BBG.

    Thanks,

    RobertE
    we've been really happy with the Oktava so far. admittedly, i don't have much experience with other mics, but i can't imagine another mic coming close to it for the price. again, i think using a good boom and suspension system are key. we're still gaining sound experience as far as technique goes, but for where we're at technically and what we're using it for, we're definitely happy with it.

    i do bracket the audio levels. i set both audio channels on the dvx to the same input, with the level of one a bit lower than the other. it's nice that the dvx lets you do this - if i remember right, with our previous camera, i had to use a splitter. anyway, doing this allows me to choose which channel to use in post-production. if the hotter channel overloads, i delete it and use the channel with the lower level setting. this has worked well so far. it allows us to get a decent level for quieter stuff but still have usable audio for the louder stuff. we're not yet at the level of having an outboard mixer and dedicated crew member to "ride the fader" to allow for max recording level without overloading. an outboard mixer would also improve sound quality by using its preamp (assuming it's a good mixer with a quality preamp), and inputting at line level into the dvx, bypassing the dvx's preamp. but like i said, we're not there yet, and the dvx seems to have really good preamps for a miniDV camera.

    i don't think the BBG is necessary indoors. we've used it indoors mainly because i've forgotten to try taking it off. theoretically though, if you're indoors where the air is still, and you're not micing directly in front of the actor where you'd worry about breath creating wind noise, it's probably not needed, and you might be better off without it. one of the sound pros can correct me if that's wrong. i'm not sure if they tend to use windscreens indoors or not. of course the shock mount is still needed when shooting indoors.

    i should also mention that we have the BBG windjammer, which is the fuzzy thing that covers the BBG. we use that outside, and we used it for the 30mph wind test justin's talking about.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snodart
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    China ball invasion.


    Looks a lot better than my 4 garage lights. You know, the metal cans with the clips on the end? The ones with old paint on them were especially professional looking.

    Looking forward to your short.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DVX-Ben
    Looks a lot better than my 4 garage lights. You know, the metal cans with the clips on the end? The ones with old paint on them were especially professional looking.

    Looking forward to your short.
    I took a lighting seminar awhile back with this pro lighting guy. Somebody asked him what is his favorite light is. You know the one he always reaches for. Guess what he said?

    "Garage lights. You know, the metal cans with the clips on the end."

    He said they have so many uses you should have at least a few with you at all times.


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