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    Congratulations... You'll forgive me if I don't cancell my Red reservation and start hunting for a Russian Wundercam.

    I just think this whole argument is counter productive. Film is not dead, but it is in a vegetative state hooked up to life support.
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    Congratulations... You'll forgive me if I don't cancell my Red reservation and start hunting for a Russian Wundercam.
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    Hi,

    FWIW Leonetti's Ultracam 35 was made in the USA.

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    Stephen,
    If you can shoot 35mm so cheaply at such a high quality, then what are you doing lurking around this forum?

    We all understand the quality and cost of 35mm. I myself used to own a very nice Arri 35-3 system. I sold it when I got the HVX200. The world is changing and as beautiful and nostalgic film might seem it is becoming less and less viable from a real world production point of view. Almost all media is now being delived digitally and very soon all movies will be too.

    But have fun with your Ultracam and if you come by another one give me a call. It sounds like a great addition to my collectable camera shelf.
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    Stephen,
    But have fun with your Ultracam and if you come by another one give me a call. It sounds like a great addition to my collectable camera shelf.
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    I've actually got 2 of the 15 made, so I maybe in touch!

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    All the cameras in the various tests were handicapped in some way yet some significant charachter was dicernable from all. Except maybe the Viper which I have seen much, much better results from in other real world productions.
    The only one I haven't seen much of is the D20. I agree that certain characteristics shined through despite what was done. However, a DP I was speaking with after said that the test said it should have been called "How well do images hold up when we do this, and this, and then this."

    We can both agree that the showcase wasn't ideal. Optimizing each camera to look it's best, or perhaps matching every camera exactly to an extremely high detail, high dynamic range reference frame(s) could have been more telling. So declaring a winner feels to me like lining up 5 funhouse mirrors and saying, "this mirror makes me look the least distorted."

    I understand that RED has yet to characterized their sensor, and using a non-final de-bayering. However, at the RED presentation RED was in control of what was presented, and how. At the other screening, a 3rd party producing and presented the test, all the other manufacturers didn't have the equivalent luxury.

    2007 is shaping up to be a big year for High End Cinema Cameras. As always, when new cameras are release, there'll be many, many more tests to look forward too.

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    Originally posted by evinsky
    Red reservation holders rejoice, this battle station (Ahem) this Mysterium sensor is now the ultimate power in the universe, I suggest we use it!
    Even though I am not a reservation holder, that quote made my day man. I can't get enough of those good ol' Star Wars homages!


     

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    Heh. RED coming out reminds me of when FCP made it's debut to the professional market. You have to admit, most AVID users/producers/directors hated FCP. It was talked down upon etc etc... Walter Murch cuts Cold Mountain with it and suddenly it was accepted and respected. Hopefully RED takes the same path of the underdog, and come out accepted as well.
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    I think once people see the footage from it Red will be accepted far quicker than FCP was.
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