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    B-camera for C300 mkiii
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    Just wondering what everyone is using as their b-camera to their C300 MKiii or C500MKii? C70 is an obvious choice but i'd rather something lighter in dslr form to run on a gimbal. I currently have an S1H which is a solid camera with a great image but am thinking of trading it in for an R5 which would be a better match for my C300 and provide amazing AF. For longer form content recording to a ninja eliminates the overheating issue with the R5 and for b-roll stuff on a gimbal where you're not recording constantly I cant see it being an issue although it would probably provide some anxiety wondering if its going to turn off. Is anyone else running the R5 as a b-cam?


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    Im thinking about a Canon B cam too.

    Of course Im wondering about some out of the box things..
    C100mk2? C300mk1 C200b
    M50ii RP

    Im big on wanting ND and also considering that the A cam is S35 so a 24-105 doesnt sing on the Acam but an 18-80 does.


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    I was thinking to keep my S1 but sold it an have now two R5. I am shooting stills also and the R5s replaced the S1 and two S1R. I was pretty happy with the Panasonic colors but the Canon is at least on par and it matches easy with the C300iii. The AF on a gimbal is priceless.

    Gimbal Crane 3, EF 24-105 @5mm f4.5
    https://vimeo.com/462115007/f190d79fd9

    I shot this two weeks ago with the R5. All hand held.
    3 GoPro scenes but the end is from the R5

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    Mabe evaluate your specs.. professional vs sexy

    professional has..
    nd
    good connectors
    a way of seeing in the
    battery you can change without a rebuild (think DLSR on gimbal - battery can mean remove rebalance)
    no external recorders and possible data loss

    sexy has
    high frame rate
    is low mass
    deep external recorded codec

    I dont see a recorder anywhere but in a studio or webcast setup - certainly never on a gimbal

    for a bcam maybe sexy beats professional. Or maybe you need professional always*.

    Hell there are even some super cheap C500mk1 out there.

    *I often need 'professional' as Im working for a director who will want a monitor. Solo shooters can get away with different things. Im not making a vlue judgement of pro vs solo.


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    In my limited experience of using both canon mirrorless and the C 70 on the new Ronin RS, the mirrorless cameras are easier to work with because of the better in body image stabilization options and the auto focus that you can use as a touchscreen and it also has eye tracking. The C 70 works just fine on the same gimbal, btw.

    However as soon as you take the camera off the gimbal into any other environment I would not hesitate a second to use the C70 as a proper B camera but would never use a canon mirrorlss as a B camera on a two camera shoot


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris f View Post
    In my limited experience of using both canon mirrorless and the C 70 on the new Ronin RS, the mirrorless cameras are easier to work with because of the better in body image stabilization options and the auto focus that you can use as a touchscreen and it also has eye tracking. The C 70 works just fine on the same gimbal, btw.

    However as soon as you take the camera off the gimbal into any other environment I would not hesitate a second to use the C70 as a proper B camera but would never use a canon mirrorlss as a B camera on a two camera shoot
    AKA, you really need 3 cams. A, B, and C. C being the mirrorless of course. That's a lot more cost, but does cover a lot of situations and allows for speed during production days with the mirrorless permanently on the gimbal if the other two cameras are occupied, or the option of having the C70 on the gimbal when not needed for 2 cam interviews for benefit of the built in ND.


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    All food for thought. Thanks all. I think I'm going to get the R5 and sell my S1H. I'll then pickup a C90 when that makes an appearance. On a side note, I have used the R5 with a ninja V in 4k and had unlimited recording and no overheating issues so cant see it being an issue to use as a b-cam.


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    Quote Originally Posted by boosh View Post
    All food for thought. Thanks all. I think I'm going to get the R5 and sell my S1H. I'll then pickup a C90 when that makes an appearance. On a side note, I have used the R5 with a ninja V in 4k and had unlimited recording and no overheating issues so cant see it being an issue to use as a b-cam.
    you don't need a Ninja for that. 4K standard doesn't overheat neither. It's not that bad or soft like the Youtube guys want to make you believe. The only issue is that recoding in HQ or HFR is not possible in a cool down time. In seven months I never had a single issue because of overheating. (YMMV if you shoot 8K RAW all the time)
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    If matching colors is a concern, you might want to check out our new camera matching software CineMatch - it makes matching colors between different brands (e.g. Panasonic, Canon, Sony, Blackmagic, RED, Arri and more) easy, and might allow you to squeeze some more use out of your S1H for the near future until you're ready to upgrade.

    Disclaimer: I work for FilmConvert, which makes CineMatch


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Parker View Post
    If matching colors is a concern, you might want to check out our new camera matching software CineMatch - it makes matching colors between different brands (e.g. Panasonic, Canon, Sony, Blackmagic, RED, Arri and more) easy, and might allow you to squeeze some more use out of your S1H for the near future until you're ready to upgrade.

    Disclaimer: I work for FilmConvert, which makes CineMatch
    Then hurry up with the FCP version.

    CineMatch doesn’t bring reliable AF to the S1H btw.
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