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    Just stumbled across this Gerald Undone video from December 1st comparing the Zoom F2 and the Tentacle Track E. He addresses that the US version of the Tentacle mutes/disables the headphone out while recording. He also says the Zoom's headphone out on the pre-production model he was using was functioning while recording, so he reached out to Zoom and they replied, "The unit in your possession operates the way the final one will. There is only one version for all customers in the world...".


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    I assume you also invited the other One missing voice:- Zoom who have had to make two versions..... and Tascam and the others whilst we are at it.
    Would be very very interesting to invite JuicedLink to hear their side as well.... or maybe they're silenced and legally unable to speak because of Zaxcom??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMurphy View Post
    Certainly both Zoom and Tascam not small companies at all could see the value in offering an unencumbered device to the American market? So help me understand why Zoom and Tascam would "cheap out"?
    As I've said before, we're in an extremely extremely small niche of a niche market.

    The fact Tascam is a "large" company, doesn't matter.

    How many Zaxcom ZFR400 do you reckon get sold each year? Not many.

    And the percentage of sales the likes of a DR10L makes out of Tascam's total sales revenue is minuscule, a rounding error by their accountants.

    The zillions of dollars it would cost to successfully launch a legal case wouldn't be worth it. Not even if it would mean they could double or even triple the numbers of their sales.

    We're not discussing mass market products like an iPod here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronFilm View Post
    As I've said before, we're in an extremely extremely small niche of a niche market.

    The fact Tascam is a "large" company, doesn't matter.

    How many Zaxcom ZFR400 do you reckon get sold each year? Not many.

    And the percentage of sales the likes of a DR10L makes out of Tascam's total sales revenue is minuscule, a rounding error by their accountants.

    The zillions of dollars it would cost to successfully launch a legal case wouldn't be worth it. Not even if it would mean they could double or even triple the numbers of their sales.

    We're not discussing mass market products like an iPod here.
    How many Zaxcom ZFR400 do you reckon get sold each year? Not many.

    I am not suggesting launching a legal case at all. I am suggesting they simply cut a deal with Zaxcom for the USA market and be done with it. They are gonna sell them there anyway, why bother to version for all the reasons you stated above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by combatentropy View Post
    That's an excellent video. This topic does speak to that larger issue of innovation being stifled IP law. From my cursory understanding Zaxcom high end wireless mics happened to be first to this area. They developed and patented a technology to solve the problem of drop outs by recording while transmitting. Simultaneously you have digital recorders reducing in size and price where they start competing with wireless lav. Zoom H1 recorder quickly became a popular choice for wedding and other lower budget filming. The obvious leap would be to combine the two. The main purpose would be as a backup. We've seen this same thing happen with mixers thank goodness some company didn't jump in with a patent to stop the combination of the audio recorder and mixer.

    This issue doesn't effect me so much but I'm sure it happens more than we're aware of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianMurphy View Post
    How many Zaxcom ZFR400 do you reckon get sold each year? Not many.

    I am not suggesting launching a legal case at all. I am suggesting they simply cut a deal with Zaxcom for the USA market and be done with it. They are gonna sell them there anyway, why bother to version for all the reasons you stated above.
    Why pay Zaxcom anything? There is no need. Anyone who really wants a global version Tascam or Zoom unit can get one from elsewhere

    Besides why would they pay a fee for something they already have that is prior art?
    IF the Zaxcom patent was credible they would also have got a EU Patent and cleaned up in the larger European market.
    Normally if you have a credible patent in one area it is reasonably easy to get it in another area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul F View Post
    [COLOR="#FFD700"]The PTAB then found that Zaxcom sufficiently demonstrated industry praise of the claimed invention stating that “[t]he Emmy award praises the ‘replacing’ feature recited by the proposed substitute claims.” Id., at 64. Weighed together as a whole, the PTAB concluded that “the factors of long-felt need and especially industry praise weigh heavily in favor of nonobviousness,” and thus determined the amended claims to be patentable. Id. at 72.
    This is just non-sensical. Why does winning an Emmy have anything to do with the validity of a patent claim? The claim should be based solely on industry practice and technical innovation. It was common at the time the patent was issued for people to record an audio signal and wirelessly transmit that signal to a camera. As far as recording a signal in a transmitter, there was no technical innovation there by Zaxcom. They used commonly used chips to accomplish it. I could potentially support them having a patent on specific ways of replacing dropouts with recorded audio. But the notion that they OWN the idea of recording at a source and then wirelessly transmitting that signal is absurd. In fact, anyone who live streams an event from the camera while recording it at the same time would be in violation of the overly broad Zaxcom patent.


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    So, in my personal FU to Zaxcom, I have spoken with a WELL known custom audio cable manufacturer* about my adapter cable to split a lav to both my Lectro beltpack and to the Tentacle Track E and they got back to me after some brief investigation and said it should work no problem and have quoted me the price for the adapter cable(a reasonable ~$65/each). The only gotcha, so far, they told me the adapter cables have to be purpose built for each model of lav, because of the routing of the wiring to the TRS connector. So I will start out with a couple for my Sanken’s only, since that is the vast majority of what I use and if completely successful, I may add a few for my B6’s(only have two, anyway) and Trams.



    *One of my regular audio dealers was unable to tell me if it was possible, even after speaking to Sanken, but these guys build cables and adapters for everything, so they usually know if something is possible or not and more importantly if it will work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brettsherman View Post
    This is just non-sensical. Why does winning an Emmy have anything to do with the validity of a patent claim?
    Talking of Emmy's have you seen this http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread...d-go-to-prison Which would suggest that the majority of Emmy's are worthless anyway!


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