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    Quote Originally Posted by ahalpert View Post
    I feel like DLD is the only one on this forum who gets excited about 8K
    No I would get to replace my GH5 but keep the GH5S. My main reason is to give even more opportunity for crop/pan /zoom for a 1920x1080 timeline which is what I want and now use my GH5 and GH5S in UHD . No real interest in even 4K output at the moment.


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    Sony A1 reviews just got online (up until today, they were under the NDA). Some purported 8K clips are still being processed into 8K. Unlike R5's Raw, Sony compresses quite heavily with XAVC S but the early reviews are all positive (at least, those I ran across). Depending on where you are, the YouTube may compress your footage further into a beautiful 8K moire.

    The early reviews are also gushing about the A1 photo performance. The GH series has always been a video-first camera but, should it get its pixel count up into the 45M range - and it's kind of hard to get 8K from fewer pixels - its stills performance will take a huge jump too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Dilworth View Post
    I would prefer to get rid of rolling-shutter artefacts and a dozen other problems or nuisances before increasing sensor resolution.
    I have been saying this same thing on this forum for years. Priorities! Global shutter over rolling shutter (even "fast" rolling shutter) would make more of a difference in picture quality than would 8K over 4K.


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    Quote Originally Posted by combatentropy View Post
    I have been saying this same thing on this forum for years. Priorities! Global shutter over rolling shutter (even "fast" rolling shutter) would make more of a difference in picture quality than would 8K over 4K.
    A1 eliminated the rolling shutter effect in stills. It can also do 4K at 120 fps, so one assumes that A1 4K RS problems, if any, are negligible.


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    More than a home run, the 8K Alpha-1 is looking like a World Series winning Grand Slam. Gerald Undoneís review is up; A1 seems to have it all, clean low light, efficient codec with lower cost memory cards, supreme AF, IBIS, better DR than A7SIII, shatters notions that smaller pixels canít do low light or DR.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post
    More than a home run, the 8K Alpha-1 is looking like a World Series winning Grand Slam. Gerald Undoneís review is up; A1 seems to have it all, clean low light, efficient codec with lower cost memory cards, supreme AF, IBIS, better DR than A7SIII, shatters notions that smaller pixels canít do low light or DR.
    I'm sure an Arri Alexa has a lot of nice features too... but expecting some of these features in the MFT format from a company who's clearly moving on to full frame may be a bit too pie-in-the-sky. Especially if you're not dying to spend $4000 on a MFT camera.

    It's been about 3 months since the main bulk of comments on this thread, and nope, still do not give a s%&* about 8K. If I were shooting a $200 million movie I'd feel the same way. This - much like the aborted 3D push a decade ago - has very little to do with artistic or technical need, but rather a desire to sell more TV sets down the line.

    Of course, YMMV and 8K is the bees knees, but how's about giving us one more stop more dynamic range or skin tones that don't look like puke? Or maybe audio levels that aren't so hot as to melt your headphones even when set to negative 12, or - AND THIS IS GOING TO SOUND CRAZY - autofocus that doesn't pulse like a machine gun from ALIENS when it works at all - You know, the little things.

    Until Panasonic can fix that last little bitty problem, does it really matter what the other stats are? Every major new camera from the competition stomps Panasonic in this regard, and has surpassed the GH5 in all the other ways that matter. Have we heard a peep about this actually happening? About Panny giving up it's DFDF system?

    Tell you what guys - if the GH6 can autofocus, then I'll accept 8K, un-needed as it is, and plunk down my money. Sadly, smart money is on my money safely being spent on scotch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLD View Post
    A1 eliminated the rolling shutter effect in stills. It can also do 4K at 120 fps, so one assumes that A1 4K RS problems, if any, are negligible.
    But the appreciable difference between 8K and 4K is also negligible.

    That's what I'm saying. At this point in history, improvements in image quality are all going to be subliminal.

    My contention has always been that global shutter will for me be more useful and more pleasant than any resolution increase beyond 2K. When many people think of rolling-shutter artifacts, they think of the bent telephone poles when you pan fast. There are other artifacts that are not totally removed until the shutter is genuinely global, the most common of which is half-frame exposures from other people's flashes, lightning, etc. Also quick rotary movements from fans, golf swings, etc.

    "But those are all rare and subliminal".

    I would say, so is hyper-high-definition --- only more so
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    Everyone looks at different applications and as such have different requirements. For my use both my GH5 and GH5S are on tripods. do not move when shooting and are in manual focus. So I do not need IBIS ( or even lens OIS ), I focus before shooting ( do not need continuous auto focus ) and yes fast movement would benefit from global shutter but I shoot everything at 60P also. Only reason for me for UHD was to crop in for 1920x1080 so 8K just gives even more freedom to crop/pan/zoom in post. Only problem I see is that 8K will only be 30P so not what I want for such high resolution. Blackmagic 12K would be perfect for me if it wasn't so expensive !!


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    Quote Originally Posted by combatentropy View Post
    But the appreciable difference between 8K and 4K is also negligible.

    That's what I'm saying. At this point in history, improvements in image quality are all going to be subliminal...
    The Potato Jet posted a video of him looking at 8K, 4K and HD frames side by side. He said he couldn't tell 8K from 4K but I could. Despite not sitting in front of a 4K monitor at a point blank range and only looking at thumbnails via YouTube. YMMV.

    FWIW, most reviews of A1 are glowing, though most reviewers do not have 8K monitors either. Undone did say that he would prefer to have two bodies in A7SIII and A7RIV for the same price but admitted to not being a stills shooter per se. RIV has a slightly higher resolution and can be marginally better for studio work but A1 has a better low light and is far more suitable for action, wildlife, BiF.

    Sal, the Adorama guy, took A1 for a helicopter flight over Manhattan, where the 8K video was quite spectacular.


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    I'd like to see aster rolling shutter or global shutter above other things too. 10 bit depth, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 would be fantastic too. I only own a 4k TV because it was as cheap or cheaper than lower res. TV's when I bought it, not drooling over 8k at all.

    I am still kind of thinking about a Sigma fp though, just not seeing prices that move me to get one, and no work to push me to buy new.


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