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    How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?
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    Wondering with all of the low cost APS-C and FF camera options - how interested are you in the GH6 at all anymore?

    The body/size weight advantage is hardly a thing now. Spec wise, thereís a limit to what they can do to woo us - m43 had an advantage of high resolution and bitrates with the smaller sensor trade off previously. But now weíve got 422 10-bit 4k60p everywhere, and many donít need more resolution, stronger codec, higher FPS.

    So, are you still interested much in a next generation, and if so why?

    Iím on the edge... but I think I am, primarily because of the small lightweight lenses which are simply a dream to travel with and I appreciate the lightweight body. Iíd also be taken by internal 4k120p in 10-bit 422 and internal ProRes RAW or something to that effect. Or built in electronic VND.


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    M43 has advantages (more DOF, faster RS for example), but not the advantages I need.

    I have a GH2, GH4 and GH5, but I always bought them for readout/processing/codec/framerates. Full-frame cameras have achieved parity or surpassed the GH5 and have a massive light sensitivity advantage and usually a dynamic range advantage as well.

    I bought an S1 when I needed a low-light beast but sold it this year and bought an A7SIII for AF and no-crop 4k60p. I am very, very happy with the A7SIII so far.

    So, personally, I have no interest in what I predict a GH5 could offer.

    What would be really cool would be a M43 ENG lens with a big range and a nice servo for a good price and a manageable weight. That would make it enticing to buy a camera to accommodate the lens for doc/eng shooting, although it would preferably be a proper video camera format camera and not a mirrorless. But such a lens could pull me back to M43.


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    I have a bunch of Panasonic M43 lenses, so it would be pricey for me to switch to an APS-C or full-frame camera. Those other cameras (and their lenses) are also heavier, and I occasionally handhold stuff. The weight is particularly important for stabilizer/gimbal shooting, and the smaller GH5 works well there. As for what a GH6 could have that might make me snap one up... 4K120fps (or 4K180fps!) internally would be excellent. 8K shooting would be a plus, especially the ability to do 8K timelapse videos. (Anyone who has not used the GH5 to make a 4K timelapse is missing out on one of the camera's best features!) Yeah, I can't show 8K video in many places, but I can always downscale it to 4K and preserve the quality of the original.

    As ahalpert said, a M43 servo-zoom lens (with smooth manual focus) would be excellent for documentary and cinema work. Even a 5x zoom would work for that sort of use, but I wouldn't complain about a 10x lens -- if the price was reasonable.

    If the GH6 could do internal MPEG5 8K/30fps 4:2:2 10-bit recording at 400Mbps, the world would definitely sit up and take notice. Amazon has 128GB V90 SD cards for as little as $60, so the media is out there. Although a 128GB card is a little small for 400Mbps recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobKo View Post
    I have a bunch of Panasonic M43 lenses, so it would be pricey for me to switch to an APS-C or full-frame camera. Those other cameras (and their lenses) are also heavier, and I occasionally handhold stuff. The weight is particularly important for stabilizer/gimbal shooting, and the smaller GH5 works well there. As for what a GH6 could have that might make me snap one up... 4K120fps (or 4K180fps!) internally would be excellent. 8K shooting would be a plus, especially the ability to do 8K timelapse videos. (Anyone who has not used the GH5 to make a 4K timelapse is missing out on one of the camera's best features!) Yeah, I can't show 8K video in many places, but I can always downscale it to 4K and preserve the quality of the original.

    As ahalpert said, a M43 servo-zoom lens (with smooth manual focus) would be excellent for documentary and cinema work. Even a 5x zoom would work for that sort of use, but I wouldn't complain about a 10x lens -- if the price was reasonable.

    If the GH6 could do internal MPEG5 8K/30fps 4:2:2 10-bit recording at 400Mbps, the world would definitely sit up and take notice. Amazon has 128GB V90 SD cards for as little as $60, so the media is out there. Although a 128GB card is a little small for 400Mbps recording.
    The feature needed is the sensitivity and color of the GH5s combined with IBIS. I don't think a GH6 will happen.


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    I love the GH5 and 5S and am completely addicted to the reach I can get with a 600 mm lens from MFT. I will be first in line when a GH6 is announced. BobKo offered a pretty nice list of expected improvements.


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    I think they better hurry if they are going to release one. I thought for sure we would have a GH6 announced to counter the R5 & a7SIII but no. I am interested in easy to use cameras with a lot of features. That is the GH5. If they just matched all of the features of the a7SIII at a lower price I think a lot of folks like me would stay with Panasonic. Basically a Gh5s with IBIS and some more color science improvements and full V-LOG. I don't need to see in the dark, but I would want clean ISO 6400. Panasonic must have given up. Maybe they know their AF is not up to par and are waiting until it is?


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    It's funny how the GH5 with so many great features and improvements (IBIS, 10bit internal, 4k 60, no time limits or over heating, light inexpensive lenses, good battery life) only after a few years is "undesirable".

    The problem is its major weakness might not be fixable:
    1. Low light: due to the sensor size limitations combined with an aspect ratio for photography, resulting in further wasting an already smaller sensor.
    2. Auto Focus: Some have speculated it's not possible or economically feasible to change to phase detect due to the sensor tech they use.
    3. Dead end: Feels like Panasonic might not even make a GH6 and if they do, it will be last GH because the industry is moving to full frame. Why would you want to invest in a system with glass that is about to be phased out? Likewise it doesn't make sense for Panasonic to invest more R&D with a camera without a future?

    That being said it doesn't matter whether a camera is desirable as long as it satisfies your needs. If you don't film in low light, shallow dof is undesirable, and don't need or use continue af then this camera will be desirable by the only person that matters You and your clients.
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    I think M4/3rds has some advantages that Panasonic did not exploit. The a7S III from a technical point of view is quite amazing giving its huge sensor in comparison to the M4/3rds sensor. A GH6 should have an edge in the faster frame rates, rolling shutter and overall camera capabilities, but Panasonic has not kept up. Sony has 4k120 and 1080p240 with a minimal crop on a FF sensor and the GH series has kind of mushy 180p. They really should be pushing 1080p480 that is just ok and 1080p240 that is excellent. Some of the best IBIS in the business along with low cost lenses and solid heat management make the GH cameras great tools but they are a bit limited in DR and as stated, the AF is unreliable at times. I want to stay but Panasonic is going to lose me to Sony because they just do not have a product on the market.


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    I'd love to see a proper MFT camcorder.

    I feel like it's something Panasonic would try (and not S or C).

    DVX300, if you will.


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    The problem for Panasonic is that it can't be in the S5 neighborhood and, if priced at ~ $1,200-$1,500, they'd have to heavily cripple it.

    An ILC cinema/AF-101 style camera might work but they just released that MFT box for $2,000. Meanwhile, Pocket 4K is $1,300 and Z Cam E2C is $800 and each records Raw internally. Some form of auto focus might come in handy, but that's the area verboten for Panasonic.

    Meanwhile Fuji has a new APS-C model for $1,000, which seems a pretty decent package for hybrid shooters not dismissive of a stylized baked-in look.

    And that squeezes GH-6 out of a lot of niches. The new buyers have plenty of alternatives. Owners of the MFT glass could also look elsewhere. GH-6 was probably ready to go but ended up as S5 because the L-mount Alliance needs to have more product on the shelf.
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