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    Trying to figure out how to work Cimino “Heaven’s Gate” into the discussion . It killed United artists , don’t see a real comparison but I do find fascinating some of the excesses that happened. One was keeping an actor with a one or two day gig left in hotel for many many months before he worked ( getting paid the whole time). Maybe in five years we’ll read a book on how another studio bit the dust.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_E View Post
    So you can be mad about sending your movie to streaming and get a little money from it, or you can sit on it for an unknown amount of time and release to theaters to get more money. And that presumes there will be any theaters left after the numerous lock downs, and also presumes that people will even be willing to go to a theater after this mess.
    If you do wait a year to release your film, you'll also be competing with all those who also waited *and* all the other films being produced since then which are also being released then too. Some may think it is better to release now, when there is less competition
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    I get the ego of wanting their movies to be big theatrical releases, but don't be stupid. Make it convenient and available to the widest possible audience(streaming). And more and more states are going back under lock-down. My state is going to a sort-of curfew beginning Friday evening. Businesses must close by 10pm(curbside food service can remain open longer), no alcohol sales after 9pm and they are asking people to remain at home from 10p to 5am.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Batutta View Post
    I'm fine. I've lost no function.
    Relieved to hear it, Batutta!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Run&Gun View Post
    I get the ego of wanting their movies to be big theatrical releases, but don't be stupid. Make it convenient and available to the widest possible audience(streaming). And more and more states are going back under lock-down. My state is going to a sort-of curfew beginning Friday evening. Businesses must close by 10pm(curbside food service can remain open longer), no alcohol sales after 9pm and they are asking people to remain at home from 10p to 5am.
    Wow, s*%t's going down. first California and now NC. Only a matter of time before NY puts a hold on things. I'm glad I worked like a dog in November. My wife's got a big I-told-you-so coming her way re:not turning down overlapping edit days etc


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    Soderbergh has some (uplifting?) thoughts about the HBO max affair: https://www.thedailybeast.com/filmma...h-meryl-streep

    The streaming push is] just a reaction to an economic reality that I think everybody is going to have to acknowledge pretty soon, which is that even with a vaccine, the theatrical movie business won’t be robust enough in 2021 to justify the amount of P&A you need to spend to put a movie into wide release," he told the website. "There’s no scenario in which a theater that is 50% full, or at least can’t be made 100% full, is a viable paradigm to put out a movie in. But that will change. We will reach a point where anybody who wants to go to a movie will feel safe going to a movie...

    I think somebody sat down and did a very clear-eyed analysis of what COVID is going to do in the next year, even with a potential vaccine, and said, I don’t see this as being workable in 2021. Because let’s be clear: there is no bonanza in the entertainment industry that is the equivalent of a movie that grosses a billion dollars or more theatrically. That is the holy grail. So the theatrical business is not going away. There are too many companies that have invested too much money in the prospect of putting out a movie that blows up in theaters—there’s nothing like it. It’s all going to come back. But I think Warners is saying: not as soon as you think...

    "I think it’ll finally push the studios and NATO (National Association of Theater Owners) to have some practical and realistic conversations about windowing," Soderbergh continued with The Daily Beast, "because there needs to be more fluidity. There’s not going to be one template that fits every movie. Every movie is different. You need the flexibility. If you’re in a bad situation, and you’ve got a movie that you opened wide, and you know Friday at 3 p.m. it’s not working, you need to be able to get it on a platform as soon as possible. You spent so much money trying to make this work, and if it didn’t, you should be able to do whatever you want to do. Theaters are going to be pushing you out anyway because you bombed...

    "I think there are a lot of factors to consider when wondering if that’s the way things are going to go. One variable that hasn’t really been scaled up is that, now that we live in an all-digital world, all of these big theater chains have the ability to turn themselves into repertory cinemas in which they screen films from any period of the last 120 years for audiences who’ve never seen them in a theater. There are all these movies from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early aughts that nobody has seen in a theater. Big hits, great movies. And I’m waiting for somebody to go, OK, we’re going to have a program where everybody knows that on these certain nights, or on the weekend, you put [them] out. When I was growing up, the repertory cinema had the calendar for the fall, and you would know, oh, they’re going to show Deliverance, they’re going to show this. There are options here to get people back into the habit of going to see movies, and giving them something they’ve haven’t seen before, that aren’t being explored at any sizeable scale. So that’s one thing. The other thing is, every time we think that it’s just going to be tentpoles and blockbusters—and art-house movies on the other end—something shows up in the middle and works. Downton Abbey made a lot of money. That movie was coming out when we were in discussions with Warners about Let Them All Talk, and I pointed to that as an example of what I consider to be our audience. That’s our demographic; that’s the audience I want. And look, they showed up for that.


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    You know what's better than a film that grosses a billion?

    A streaming service that grosses twenty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahalpert View Post
    Wow, s*%t's going down. first California and now NC. Only a matter of time before NY puts a hold on things. I'm glad I worked like a dog in November. My wife's got a big I-told-you-so coming her way re:not turning down overlapping edit days etc
    I think you will find there will be a lockdown in the US Jan-March. We are certainly heading for one in the UK and we have already started mass vaccination. The problem is those vaccinated this week won't have full protection until early January. So the Christmas spike will overlap with the start of the Vaccination starting to bite. In the UK it won't be over untill April-May.

    However cinema's and theatre's survived radio, TV, Video cassettes, CD, DVD, Blue Ray, large Screen tv's, 3d TV's, streaming services and in deed Theatres survived cinema's.
    People like to go out for a social event and more so after a year of lockdowns.

    With most people having a large flat screen TV at home as suggested above streaming can be more profitable than a cinema release. You can certainly reach a far larger market.

    Directors bemoaning streaming services over cinema releases sound like the directors who said they would never shoot digital and would use film to their dying day.... The paradime has shifted and it won't be going back so they will need to get used to it. In the UK it is effectively ALL streaming services. It is just that some are streamed to the server at the Cinema. IT means the Cinema can be anywhere and updated at any time.

    In 2020 people have been breaking lockdown rules to socialise when the breaks finally come off the cinema's (and theatres) will have a huge surge in attendance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DLD View Post
    You know what's better than a film that grosses a billion?

    A streaming service that grosses twenty.
    Netflix only made $1.9 billion profit in 2019 and the real number is likely far lower due to how they account for debt and production expenses. They spend an unsustainable amount on content. I think their long-term outlook is less rosy than some. They were the first streamer but that advantage was temporary. I had a Netflix account for 10 years, but now I'm churning. I haven't had a Netflix account in 13 months even though I want to see the 2nd season of altered carbon


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    In the mid 90s I had a roommate that used to get crazy checks from long distance companies to switch, he switched many times sometimes for hundreds of dollars. Every few months he would switch when someone new offered. Wonder if streaming companies may go that direction. Also I would never buy a used Christie or other major used cinema projector but a considerable population in the u.s. could install a large screen in their backyard. If it became easier to see first runs I could see many people I know doing this. For decades you’ve had first run prints going out to Hollywood elite home and private screening rooms.


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