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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    I have been on MAC's for 17 years... so I have no blind brand loyalty. I understand computers down to the microcode in the MCU's.
    Hi JAMedia!

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    My view of Apple after 17 years is the new machines look good but... The newer laptops are more form over function. What happens is as the CPU heats up the internal thermal protection kicks in and the CPU will self throttle to get the temperature down.
    I never owned one of those computers, but I remember reading about the issue. I think it was pretty closely tied to certain high performing Intel CPUs (that ended up being not-that-high-performing after all). It affected all brands a few generations ago, but to no one's surprise most of the ink was wasted on Apple and MacBook Pros.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    The new MAC laptops are getting thinner and lighter.
    My MacBook Pro 16" is both thicker and heavier than my old one that went to my wife. It doesn't throttle but the fans spin up when I edit 6K braw in Resolve.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    Linus Tech Tips looked at this and built a same spec entry level MAC Pro ($6K) as a PC for $4K... [that] was performing like a $10K plus MAC Pro.(it would have been $3K but they added fancy liquid cooling).
    Buying components and building yourself tends to be cheaper than buying pre-built. It's not unique to computers: women buy fabric and designs and sew their own dresses for less that what a brand dress might cost on fancy street. I've built my own golf clubs and mountain bikes and made similar experiences. PCs too.

    But like you say: Linus burned an extra $1K on fancy cooling. So think of it as Apple burning another $3K to add a fancy computer around the components and setting up a network of stores around the world with people to sell and service their stuff.

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    That said you can do a Hackintosh. I am not sure of the legality of that so it is probably not an option for a business.
    I'm sure: it's not legal. But I won't hold it against anyone and would do it myself if I thought it was the best option. I've been mulling over a 3970X Threadripper for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    Apple no longer has in the entry to mid level any advantage over a Windows PC.
    There is a very unfortunate gap in their headless workstations due to the fact that they only have Xeon based solutions. It's a shame, but there is little we can do about it.

    It's not much talked about since almost all focus is on 'workstations with swappable components' but the 2019 iMac mentioned above by Mcgeedigital would be a great fit for many kinds of tasks up to medium or medium/heavy loads (depending on how people define those things)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreeOnline View Post
    Hi JAMedia!
    I never owned one of those computers , but I remember reading about the issue. I think it was pretty closely tied to certain high performing Intel CPUs (that ended up being not-that-high-performing after all). It affected all brands a few generations ago, but to no one's surprise most of the ink was wasted on Apple and MacBook Pros.
    AFAIK most of the intel macs are like that. Yes it affects all Intel users. My Dell Laptop has lots of ventilation slots and good fans. The performance does not drop. Though I tend to use headphones when editing audio out and about.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndreeOnline View Post
    My MacBook Pro 16" is both thicker and heavier than my old one that went to my wife. It doesn't throttle but the fans spin up when I edit 6K braw in Resolve.
    Finally learnt their lesson. The problem is for the last few years apple have followed form over function hence a lot of the heavy users leaving Apple.

    Quote Originally Posted by AndreeOnline View Post
    Buying components and building yourself tends to be cheaper than buying pre-built. It's not unique to computers: women buy fabric and designs and sew their own dresses for less that what a brand dress might cost on fancy street. I've built my own golf clubs and mountain bikes and made similar experiences. PCs too.
    I don't build my own PC's these days. My local supplier would build to order (as do Dell but only from their pick list) For Video Edit computers (and usually gaming PC's) there are many places that specialize in building to order. Like made to measure suits and dresses but not expensive and NOT DIY.

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    But like you say: Linus burned an extra $1K on fancy cooling. So think of it as Apple burning another $3K to add a fancy computer around the components and setting up a network of stores around the world with people to sell and service their stuff.
    Not really. They could have used an ordinary cooling system and still had double the performance for half the price. Also it was a fancy case anyway.

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    I'm sure: it's not legal. But I won't hold it against anyone and would do it myself if I thought it was the best option. I've been mulling over a 3970X Threadripper for a while.
    Apparently Threadripper is the way to go.... until the next best thing. Though the problem is, other than legality, is that you have no idea when (not if) the next update for the apps refuse to run on the Hacked OS.

    BTW as you wont hold it against people for stealing software I assume you won't mind if they steal any of your video? It's just 1's and 0's......


    Quote Originally Posted by AndreeOnline View Post
    It's not much talked about since almost all focus is on 'workstations with swappable components' but the 2019 iMac mentioned above by Mcgeedigital would be a great fit for many kinds of tasks up to medium or medium/heavy loads (depending on how people define those things)
    IMacs are much the same as Laptops in this regard. We had a couple years ago. Never again. As you say all non-standard and no swapable or upgradable parts.
    My curse is I started life as an Electronics Engineer. These things matter to me.

    However as I said I am currently working on a MAC pro... a 2013 vintage one we have swapped out memory, hard drives, Video cards and added other cards in the back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    Not really. They could have used an ordinary cooling system and still had double the performance for half the price. Also it was a fancy case anyway.
    To this I still say 'Yes, really'. But I'm not sure we're even in disagreement here. I agree that they could have gone even cheaper on the PC. Less spectacular (and louder) cooling, less polished case (if even a case at all—some run barebones open platforms). You can shave and shave your PC costs until only the core components remain. Then you'll find the max delta between PC vs Mac cost. But the delta between 'pile of stuff' and 'computer' will increase pretty linearly too, as you do that.


    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    BTW as you wont hold it against people for stealing software I assume you won't mind if they steal any of your video? It's just 1's and 0's......
    You assume incorrectly. I do mind if people steal my stuff. But I do not police other people, or write on their nose what is right or wrong. You said you weren't sure about the legality so I just wanted to clear that up.

    I have number of Macs where I'm already using MacOS according to the license agreement. Now that MacOS is available for free, it has not been my impression that Apple is super eager to come after the tinkerers of the world because they like experimenting, even if it means they are breaking the license agreement they accepted when installing.


    Quote Originally Posted by JAMedia View Post
    IMacs are much the same as Laptops in this regard. We had a couple years ago. Never again.
    Sure. But I specifically said the 2019 iMac. Each generation stands on its own in the time it lives. Through the years, some iMacs have been comparatively weak, other years they've done better. As it turns out, the 2019 version with a good config is quite usable in today's computing landscape.

    Same goes for my cherry picked late 2015 iMac 5K that I'm writing on now. Bought a year ago for our 'small office' in the apartment for less than LG sells their 5K UltraFine monitor only, I have a CPU with competitive single core performance in 2020, 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM which is enough for Photography, Graphic Design, Xcode and basic Blender work with Eevee. I can even do some basic Resolve editing in HD with 6K source media.

    Anyway, it always comes down to: know your own needs and make decisions based on that.
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    If Apple could sue the Hackintosh community, I believe they would have done so already. They failed in trying to stop the jailbreaking of their phones, with the law citing fair use in the ruling. Probably the same would apply to Hackintoshes. So long as the OS is legally acquired and you aren't modifying the operating system or reselling computers with the OS installed, I'm not sure they have many legal legs to stand on.
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    You guys are great! Enjoyed the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Publimix View Post
    For good reviews and tests see pugetsystems.com They have a ton of benchmarks and info. AMD ryzen processors seem a good choice these days.
    great advice


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