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    More and more voices come out indicating putting patients on ventilators is not helpful or even hurtful.
    https://www.foxnews.com/health/docto...virus-pandemic

    A testimonial by a doctor:



    A new theory of what SAR-Cov-2 actually does indicates the primary issue is not the lungs but the transport of oxygen through hemoglobin. This is likely also the reason chloroquine can be helpful due to the fact that malaria interferes with hemoglobin as well.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1ssr1m68u...-9-EN.pdf?dl=0

    "The study results show that ORF8 and surface glycoproteins could combine to the porphyrin
    to form a complex, respectively. At the same time, orf1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a proteins could
    coordinate attack the heme on the 1-beta chain of hemoglobin to dissociate the iron to form the
    porphyrin. The attack will lead to less hemoglobin to carry oxygen and carbon dioxide. The lung cells
    have extremely intense inflammation due to the inability to exchange carbon dioxide and oxygen
    frequently, which eventually results in ground-glass-like lung images. Patients with respiratory distress
    will be made worse. Diabetic patients and older people have higher glycated hemoglobin. Glycated
    hemoglobin was reduced by the attack, which made patients' blood sugar unstable. Since the porphyrin
    complexes of the virus produced in the human body inhibited the heme anabolic pathway, they caused
    a wide range of infection and disease.
    With these findings in mind, further analysis revealed that chloroquine could prevent orf1ab,
    ORF3a, and ORF10 from attacking the heme to form the porphyrin, and inhibit the binding of ORF8
    and surface glycoproteins to porphyrins to a certain extent, effectively relieve the symptoms of
    respiratory distress. Since the ability of chloroquine to inhibit structural proteins is not particularly
    obvious, the therapeutic effect on different people may be different. Favipiravir could inhibit the
    envelope protein and ORF7a protein bind to porphyrin, prevent the virus from entering host cells, and
    catching free porphyrins."
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    Trying to demonstrate"facts" and "statistics" in an environment where everything we think we know gets upended every three days, is not helpful. It's that type of stuff that leads us down the political hellhole, so how about we find something useful to talk about instead of repeating the same mistakes of the last three threads?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NorBro View Post
    The LIRR is really empty!
    Stretch out, take a nap, shoot a film!!!

    Edit: or if you're Barry, hop on your Harley!


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    Well, when the first post of the new thread "is hidden due to low votes. Click the arrow to the right to expand it."
    it appears we may not be off to a good start and the thread lock gates may soon swing shut once again... ;)


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    here's my contribution to the debate - things are so bad - I had to sack myself! NSFW

    https://vimeo.com/405722894/338e80cae5


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    Congrats! And double unemployment benefits!


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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Marvin View Post
    I came across this and found it to be quite interesting.

    "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus"

    Link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic
    Please do not post something like this, from that source. It's way controversial.


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    Older patients with comorbid conditions including hypertension have been associated with even higher mortality rates. The question arises, is this due to the high blood pressure or is it related to the medication?

    There is a concern that ACE inhibitors (high blood pressure medicine) MAY have a negative impact on COVED19 infected patients.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2763803

    There is currently a clinical study ongoing that hopefully gives some answers to this concern:
    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/...draw=3&rank=11


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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Marvin View Post
    I came across this and found it to be quite interesting.

    "The first documentary movie on CCP virus, Tracking Down the Origin of the Wuhan Coronavirus"

    Link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bXWGxhd7ic
    Did you miss the memo about no politics? Good grief. Hope it doesn't hurt when the ban hammer swings your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tired View Post
    here's my contribution to the debate - things are so bad - I had to sack myself! NSFW

    https://vimeo.com/405722894/338e80cae5
    As someone who has had to consider sacking myself from my own company to qualify for furlough pay from the government can I say; LOL brilliant.
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