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    Quote Originally Posted by ahalpert View Post
    Sorry, James, it was not my intent to give you a hard time. Just seeking clarity
    Thanks Abe.

    If you ever don't get what someone else is posting, wait 10min, read again, wait another 10min, then write. Maybe even read some of their other posts on the thread. No sense in arguing with someone just because you misread them. Oral processing works in spoken interactions, but take up a hell of a lot of time on a forum. Why should everyone else suffer us arguing over nothing?


     

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    It's not suffering. It's entertainment. Although I would have given it one more star had you each worked a car into your arguments.


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul F View Post
    It's not suffering. It's entertainment. Although I would have given it one more star had you each worked a car into your arguments.
    How I feel when I am arguing, yet unassumingly selling popcorn:

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    *as close as I could get to cars this time around. condolences


     

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    I'm having a hard time with this one, friends. Help me understand. I read this, and started looking into the counter side:

    https://www.infectioncontroltoday.co...on-declaration

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_...l_commentaries

    What gives? What am I missing?

    Not a whole lot. The wikipedia article itself is enough. The Great Barrington Declaration is just not going to work:

    The Great Barrington Declaration is not a scientific document. As critics readily point out, it presents no data. It has no footnotes, few specific suggestions for how to implement the societal segregation and, unlike most scientific arguments, does not discuss potential objections to the proposal.

    “What I worry about with this is it’s being presented as if it’s a major alternative view that’s held by large numbers of experts in the scientific community. That is not true,” Collins, NIH director, said in an interview.

    “This is a fringe component of epidemiology. This is not mainstream science. It’s dangerous. It fits into the political views of certain parts of our confused political establishment,” he said. “I’m sure it will be an idea that someone can wrap themselves in as a justification for skipping wearing masks or social distancing and just doing whatever they damn well please.”

    Critics of Focused Protection say the idea is impractical, unethical and potentially deadly. There is no way, they say, to segregate society neatly by levels of vulnerability. Many vulnerable people live in multigenerational households. And although it is true that younger people are unlikely to die of covid-19, they can still become sick, potentially with chronic lung damage or other long-duration symptoms known as “long covid.”

    From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...38d_story.html



    Going further:

    If followed, the recommendations in the Great Barrington Declaration would haphazardly and unnecessarily sacrifices lives. The declaration is not a strategy, it is a political statement. It ignores sound public health expertise. It preys on a frustrated populace. Instead of selling false hope that will predictably backfire, we must focus on how to manage this pandemic in a safe, responsible and equitable way.

    The suggestions put forth by the Great Barrington Declaration are NOT based in science.

    From: https://apha.org/news-and-media/news...rs-covid2-plan


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    Clarity, lack of clarity, various interpretations. It doesn't seem to make much difference. Covid-19 is now the third largest killer of people in the USA and a number of other countries. Whatever your outlook politically, medically or intellectually the numbers don't look good. Basically unless a good vaccine or prophylactic treatment arrives we are much like the rest of the animal kingdom. At nature's beck and call. If a disease gets amongst a species of wild life and there is no preventative intervention it gets partially wiped out. The ones that survive the infection build some immunity and the life cycle goes on. Maybe the heralded mass sixth extinction has started? How many of us will survive? How long will it take? Sound like wild questions but they are being more frequently asked.

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    If you need a pick-me-up, give this a read: "Technology underlying COVID-19 vaccines a massive medical breakthrough"

    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52...l-breakthrough

    “This is confirmation of this technology, and I think certainly for this kind of platform, mRNA is ideally suited for a pandemic situation.”

    ...“They basically were able to very precisely print out the mRNA sequence that would create a protein to recognize” the virus, said Prabhjot Singh, a health systems expert at the Icahn School of Medicine and the Mount Sinai Health System. “It’s almost like 3D printing. They’re able to say, here’s the sequence of what we want to go after, let’s design mRNA custom specifically to chase down that thing.”

    “The biggest advantage of mRNA has been the speed at which you can develop the vaccine. If you have the sequence, you can make a vaccine, you don’t have to grow the virus,”

    ... the efficacy rates are tremendously encouraging, on par with some of the most impressive achievements in the history of public health, vaccines that have eradicated smallpox or nearly ended polio.

    “This efficacy is greater than what we would have expected,” Karron said.

    “It’s crazy high,” Singh said. “It’s like ridiculously high, if these numbers bear out.”

    The eventual success of mRNA vaccines has the potential to reshape global public health, both in the race to contain future pandemics and in treating other more endemic diseases like cancer. If successful, it is likely to set off a clash in the scientific community that Singh compared to the emergence of the electric car maker Tesla and the disruptive challenge it posed to traditional automobile manufactures.
    Maybe this will be the last pandemic...?


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahalpert View Post

    Maybe this will be the last pandemic...?
    Let's hope...Now if someone can get to work curing my asthma it would be appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua Cadmium View Post
    Not a whole lot. The wikipedia article itself is enough. The Great Barrington Declaration is just not going to work:
    From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...38d_story.html
    ...because goodness knows the Washington Post, owned by the megalomaniacal monopolist Jeff Bezos of Amazon who is profiting so richly from shutdowns, has absolutely no vested interest in seeing them continue and drive yet more small local businesses into bankruptcy........................
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    AFAIK Bezos doesn't exert editorial control over the Post. His influence impacted their business/distribution strategy.

    Also, "A coauthor of the Great Barrington Declaration says that he and colleagues have never argued against using mitigation strategies to keep COVID-19 from spreading, and that critics have mischaracterized the document as a "let it rip" strategy."

    From Nov 9: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/940637


     

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahalpert View Post
    AFAIK Bezos doesn't exert editorial control over the Post. His influence impacted their business/distribution strategy.
    Oh, I'm so certain he or his direct employees wouldn't. Nosirree. Nope. Totally up-and-up.

    I wasn't aware anything in the document or in sensible approaches ever said "let it rip." Now, "let reasonable things happen so as not to crush our society in the churning millstone of a neo-fascist globo-socialist Great Reset," yes, those things I've read. But wild abaondon, no, I haven't read or thought that.
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