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    Best cinematography
    1917
    Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
    The Irishman
    Joker
    The Lighthouse


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    I haven't seen the others but Irishman did not feel like best cinematography material to me


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    The Irishman sticks out to me as well. Certainly an achievement for the VFX team but pretty basic stuff for the camera crew. Unless you count using that rig they had.


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    The Irishman's look was similar to that of Goodfellas. Nothing too stylistic with a realistic look. The one scene that did stand out for me was the Howard Johnson's breakfast scene with Pesce and Deniro. I love the way they lit that with the morning light look...


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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    Best cinematography
    1917
    Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
    The Irishman
    Joker
    The Lighthouse
    All of these are good, but I am surprised these are the top noms.

    ‘1917’ felt more like an achievement in Cinematography, rather than best.

    ‘Lighthouse’ was heavily stylized. I only watched the trailer so far.

    ‘Joker’ is nice looking, but feels pretty commercial. I feel odd even picking at it, but is it really a best nom? Feels like Hangover. And that didn’t get the nom, did it?

    ‘Once Upon a Time’ pretty standard Bob+QT. Lovely film look.

    ‘Irishman’ well shot, but nothing that distinguishes it.

    All really good work, i am just surprised there weren’t more deserving films? Wasn’t there?

    All of these show immense control and craft. So, i should just shut up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James0b57 View Post

    ‘1917’ felt more like an achievement in Cinematography, rather than best.
    Not to be the "well actually" guy, but in fairness, the Oscars site does list the award as "Achievement in Cinematography"


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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigoanton View Post
    Not to be the "well actually" guy, but in fairness, the Oscars site does list the award as "Achievement in Cinematography"
    I wish there were two.

    Then Lion King and 1917 would be in one. Films like Gravity etc, that change the game, and then more traditional merit would work for subjectively best looking.


    But i am ok with 1917 winning, it is amazing.


    EDIT: and as for the “Acheivement in Cinematography”, i think the emphasis is cinematography, not acheivement. —————- i know a DP that was asked if he could do a little directing for a shoot, and he said “ugh yeah, hello, DIRECTOR of photography. It’s in the name.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by niki View Post
    Best cinematography
    1917
    Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
    The Irishman
    Joker
    The Lighthouse
    I’ve seen all of those apart from The Lighthouse. I understand why the The Irishman is nominated but for me the 3d technique got in the way of storytelling. I loved the cinematography in Joker but 1917 wins for me. Staggeringly good.
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    1917 works for me because while it doesn't have the same type of traditionally composed shots as say, what Deakins did with Blade Runner or Skyfall (both stunning), it fits the bill for me in terms of how it pushes the envelope on camera work and capturing live motion for cinema. I suppose that sort of thinking causes one to define the word "cinematography", based on my subjective and internal definition of such I think it works, but I see why one may feel differently.

    That said I agree they may need a new category or a rethinking of visual categories going forward. Lion King and Alita were both visually stunning this year but they don't fit the confines of standard cinematography, and IMO they begin to feel slightly out of place in regards to an achievement in VFX as well. IE Alita is impressive not for its handling of FX so much... the whole movie is an effect. Lion King I suppose would fall under animation, but recognizing what made the movie so impressive doesn't feel encapsulated by an award for best animation.


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