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    F23 vs. F35 Picture Quality
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    Anybody here shot with both of these that finds one has an edge over the other?

    I'm not asking number of stops, bit depth, depth of field, etc. Just would like to get experienced input on which has nicest picture, most filmic color and texture. Thx.


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    F35

    The F23 has a good character. While shares some of the same qualities, ends up feeling completely different. It has my favourite vintage 2/3” look. Mike owns one now, he may have a better opinion. I really like how the camera draws ip some nostalgia, but also just looks good.

    F35 will just always be good. Because it is good. It isn’t like other cheap cameras that were good for the time, it is just a good camera!


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    Thanks, James. Interesting about the vintage look. Hadn't thought of it that way but have to agree. I'm hard pressed between both cameras. I don't see flesh tone variance in any other camera like these two.

    Any others with insights?


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    Hi, well, iíll chime in....


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    The F23 has a wider color gamut than the f35 due to the 3 chip wide band prisim, skin tones are the same, color space is the same... color depth is different. f23 max is 10bit f35 12bit. The f23 is a fantastic camera and if you find just a body it will most likely be going for a bit less than the f35 bodies but not by much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James0b57 View Post
    F35

    The F23 has a good character. While shares some of the same qualities, ends up feeling completely different. It has my favourite vintage 2/3” look. Mike owns one now, he may have a better opinion. I really like how the camera draws ip some nostalgia, but also just looks good.

    F35 will just always be good. Because it is good. It isn’t like other cheap cameras that were good for the time, it is just a good camera!
    I think in their own right both cameras will always be good. They are the same camera minus the optical block. My way of looking at it is the F23 is the Super16mm Body and the F35 is the Super35mm Body lol. Both are built strong and make beautiful images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Krumlauf View Post
    I think in their own right both cameras will always be good. They are the same camera minus the optical block. My way of looking at it is the F23 is the Super16mm Body and the F35 is the Super35mm Body lol. Both are built strong and make beautiful images.
    In many ways, you are right. Only difference, is with film, it is the exact same formula and tech, just a smaller slice, whereas with video, itís a whole new sensor. Which can mean that the smaller sensor might even have a better image, depending on the tech.

    Hope to see more of you shooting with that unicorn of a camera!


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    Quote Originally Posted by James0b57 View Post
    In many ways, you are right. Only difference, is with film, it is the exact same formula and tech, just a smaller slice, whereas with video, it’s a whole new sensor. Which can mean that the smaller sensor might even have a better image, depending on the tech.

    Hope to see more of you shooting with that unicorn of a camera!
    From what I have read their are a few DOPs that say the F23 did have the superior color science given the wide band CCD prism vs a single chip. If I had a F35 to test alongside the 23 with color charts, etc I'd be able to figure that one out.
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    Don't know if this is relevant to your interests, but an F23 to F35 conversion kit popped up on eBay today: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202857885787?ul_noapp=true


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    Quote Originally Posted by andyjar View Post
    Don't know if this is relevant to your interests, but an F23 to F35 conversion kit popped up on eBay today: https://www.ebay.com/itm/202857885787?ul_noapp=true
    If I had 2,200 to throw away I would get it. Seems a tad high and the pictures are not enough to support a buy that high in price. The other ones that sold were only a couple hundred bucks...
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