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    Quote Originally Posted by jamedia.uk View Post
    So either YouTube does a non-US set up or some one else will.
    Problem is that it will takes years until a new service can compete with YouTube in regards to viewers. If at all.
    Thereís Vimeo, with better picture quality but if you need/want the video to get as many views as possible, thereís no option than to put it on YouTube.
    YouTube is the second (or was it third?) biggest search engine. And itís not even a search engine per se. Thatís how massive YouTube is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamedia.uk View Post
    The problem is what is "reasonable".
    By "reasonable" I meant that The Verge appears to take a fairly even-handed approach to discussing the issue. And the international aspect is for sure an issue. Like how many US-based sites are dealing with, or at least thinking about GDPR, I think COPPA compliance will reach beyond US borders.

    But yes, YouTube carries a big stick that they don't wield with much precision. So a non-US host could help...

    I'd think the French-owned Dailymotion is an option; not a great UX imo, but appears to consider a wider range of material acceptable. Vimeo is likely to take a more nuanced stance on COPPA compliance... Google points me to this comparison... It's not great, but looks at least a little useful:

    Video Site Comparison: YouTube VS Dailymotion
    https://acethinker.com/youtube-downl...ilymotion.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Feeley View Post
    Good luck and let us know what you end up doing!
    I think he'll stick with YouTube!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Feeley View Post
    I'd think the French-owned Dailymotion is an option; not a great UX imo, but appears to consider a wider range of material acceptable. https://acethinker.com/youtube-downl...ilymotion.html
    You have hit the nail on the head. What is acceptable on a "general" system in France is considered "Porn" in the USA. For example Facebook (a US company) bans images of female nipples but not male ones (or did last time I saw it mentioned) which is as mentioned is closer to Iran and Saudi Arabia than most of the world. As I said my videos of the pantomimes are likely to fall foul of this due to the language and double and entendre never mind some of the actions. However the physical audience inthe hall is largely children. In this regard the US does not hold a central point of balance but more of an outlier.


    However most of the complaints (see https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=coppa ) are that the unintended consequences of the way it is implemented will kill very many channels. Especially in eSports, gaming, cartoons and animations etc etc. even if not aimed at children.
    It looks like any serious gamer on Fornite will have a problem...


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    I saw children playing nude in the fountains in Stockholm, saw men urinate in the streets of Amsterdam and women topless sunbathing in Sao Paulo. Depending on circumstances, any of those could earn a spot on the registered sex offender list in U.S. I wonder, if U.S. were not so litigious the mores would be more inline with world views. I don't think it's that we're prudes but we do have actual problems with sexual predators targeting children. I don't know how much that is a world problem.

    The U.S. has pursued Roman Polanski for most of his life yet he lives freely in France.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post
    I saw children playing nude in the fountains in Stockholm, saw men urinate in the streets of Amsterdam and women topless sunbathing in Sao Paulo. Depending on circumstances, any of those could earn a spot on the registered sex offender list in U.S. I wonder, if U.S. were not so litigious the mores would be more inline with world views. I don't think it's that we're prudes but we do have actual problems with sexual predators targeting children. I don't know how much that is a world problem.

    The U.S. has pursued Roman Polanski for most of his life yet he lives freely in France.
    Welcome to prudish America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutmegger View Post
    Are you saying she is a prude for going topless in her own home? Her case is in the court system so I should thank you for making mine. Welcome to litigious America.


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    The US is very weird. "We"(society) talk out of both sides of our mouths. At the same time broadcast TV shows are FULL of sex and sexual innuendo(all but showing nudity) and sexualization of even young kids and teenagers(do you want to talk about cable and streaming shows and what anyone with an internet connection can see?), BUT books full of laws(some that are just ridiculously interpreted) that are supposedly there to protect children and others from sexual crimes and the like. Do we also need to talk about how we simultaneously glorify (on TV and advertising and popular culture) and vilify alcohol, liquor and drinking? One hand is shaking its finger at everyone that its all bad and evil while the other hand is outstretched for the money from corporate America.


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    I was showing a few Soviet era films to a friend about a decade ago and, after watching a few of them, she asks, "Why is there a drinking scene every 20 minutes?" Well, that was reflective of the old Soviet way of life. But both nudity and foul language were generally prohibited. In that comedy "The Gentlemen of Fortune" that I linked, the writers had to invent their own prison slang because they would have had a silent movie otherwise.

    PS. When I was in college in the early 1980's, my Russian professor asked me for a favor. It was to read through a real Soviet era prison slang that was compiled into a hand-written booklet. That was some filthy stuff. And, worse of all, I didn't understand about 70% of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nutmegger View Post
    That is ridiculous. I can't see how nudity in ones own how could possibly be a crime. It also shows my point that the most of the world world to different standards and the US is not an arbiter or mid point in this sort of thing. So most of the world will need a non-US based version of youtube.
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