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    Quote Originally Posted by laverdir View Post
    CN-E series are the only ones that enable Dual Pixel Focus Guide on C200/300/700.

    Is there a possibility to program Leica R to EF adapter to fool them thinking there is CN-E on them?
    I've experimented with ef adapters for manual lenses on the cinema cameras. It's a mess. To work at all, you need a an adapter that allows you to adjust the aperture because the DPAF reading is dependent on the aperture. You also need to test which aperture reading gives the correct information for foucs. I finally managed to find an adapter, but it only works on one of the my C300 II's. It doesn't work on the other that I own. So, it is a lost cause unless some company designs an AF confirm chip specifically for the cinema cameras and tests it.


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    Got to play around with a Sumire from Canon again today. Interesting lens. I can’t decide whether i truly like it or not yet. Also, i fondled a Leica M recently too. They share the fact that they both have some noticeable CA wide open. Some cat eye bokeh towards the frame edge. Leica M reasures with having a legacy. The Sumire is always crippled at shows by being paired with a C700. Even in Canon’s Sumire demo video, the best looking demo footage is shot on a Red.

    The Leica M i played with, was paired with a Sony Venice and detached head, so there was a very compelling size to quality ratio.

    Leica Thalia and Leica Prime are very different looking. The newer Leica cinema lenses look more Japanese, in the best way possible. Thalia is an increbile size for owner op, but the price says “rental house” “big show”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James0b57 View Post
    Got to play around with a Sumire from Canon again today. Interesting lens. I can’t decide whether i truly like it or not yet. Also, i fondled a Leica M recently too. They share the fact that they both have some noticeable CA wide open. Some cat eye bokeh towards the frame edge. Leica M reasures with having a legacy. The Sumire is always crippled at shows by being paired with a C700. Even in Canon’s Sumire demo video, the best looking demo footage is shot on a Red.

    The Leica M i played with, was paired with a Sony Venice and detached head, so there was a very compelling size to quality ratio.

    Leica Thalia and Leica Prime are very different looking. The newer Leica cinema lenses look more Japanese, in the best way possible. Thalia is an increbile size for owner op, but the price says “rental house” “big show”.
    The Sumire lenses are nice but when I met with the people at Canon USA before NAB, they reported that the Sumires are essentially identical to the CN-E primes until the lens is wide open, then the softening and CA comes out. At close to DOUBLE the cost
    of the CN-E regular primes. My personal opinion is that's a lot of money (on a full set) to pay to essentially add "character" ie; optical flaws. I don't blame Canon or any other manufacturer for cashing in on trends, I just personally find the trend
    toward pursuing optical degradation of your image a bit pointless. Shoot the best, most neutral image you can and degrade or change the image in post. It's so much more controllable and it gives you options. On top of that, the prevailing trend is
    to NOT shoot wide open, ultra shallow DOF is definitely on the downward trend in cinematography so you can deduce the value equation of only being able to get that effect at T1.5. I don't want to shoot at T1.5 if I can avoid it.

    Just my opinion, which is an unpopular one at the moment. Evidently you have to shoot with lenses with "character", or you just aren't cool in 2019 ;-)
    It's a business first and a creative outlet second.
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    Does that mean I'm retro-cool because my FD lenses certainly have character, and I'm still using an old GH2? I'm almost throw back to super8 film cool at this point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg_E View Post
    Does that mean I'm retro-cool because my FD lenses certainly have character, and I'm still using an old GH2? I'm almost throw back to super8 film cool at this point.
    I think that makes you certifiably cool.


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    Got to look at the Zeiss Radiance lenses for a little bit. They get show cased as having lens flare, but they are actually quite nice when not getting a flashlight shoved down the barrel.

    They differ from the Sigma Classics, in that the sigmas bloom and flare over anything.

    The Supreme Radiance are more reserved, and have subtle flare that feels more like an 80’s flare than a 30’s flare.

    Seems a usable lens for a lot of things, and looks best when not being forced to flare.


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    The more interesting lenses I've tested recently that aren't on this list....

    Masterbuilt
    https://www.masterbuiltlenses.com/

    Blackwing7 (Bradford Young and Neil Fanthom ex Arri who basically did all the leg work on the DNA's then decided to have a TAKE 2 and make these)
    https://7isatribe.com/

    Vega (TLS)
    https://www.truelens.co.uk/tls-intro...-new-vega-lens

    Also Primo 70's...not that new but still worthy of attention....and Panavision H series...
    https://www.panavision.com/products/primo-70-series
    https://www.panavision.com/products/h-series

    JB

    EDIT - Don't forget SLR Magic.....The APO primes and the new Micro Primes are VERY under rated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Brawley View Post
    The more interesting lenses I've tested recently that aren't on this list....

    Masterbuilt
    https://www.masterbuiltlenses.com/

    Blackwing7 (Bradford Young and Neil Fanthom ex Arri who basically did all the leg work on the DNA's then decided to have a TAKE 2 and make these)
    https://7isatribe.com/

    Vega (TLS)
    https://www.truelens.co.uk/tls-intro...-new-vega-lens

    Also Primo 70's...not that new but still worthy of attention....and Panavision H series...
    https://www.panavision.com/products/primo-70-series
    https://www.panavision.com/products/h-series

    JB

    EDIT - Don't forget SLR Magic.....The APO primes and the new Micro Primes are VERY under rated...
    Fantastic additions!

    I’d not heard of the Masterbuilt lenses personally. What was your experience?


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    The Magic SLR APO’s are now on my short wish list. Ignoring price even. They are a slight departure from my normal preference, which might be Zeiss or Arri neutrality. But i have been considering some character glass for a while. Lomo just had too much mojo, and were no longer that bargain bin price for a good set. Then the Glasswerks FF35 anamorphics came out, oozing with character and composure. But at $30K+ a lens and only sold in sets, i had to concede this to rental only.

    The MSLR APO primes have a lotnof mojo while not getting in the way, as maybe some other character glass is. Sigma Classics went a little too far on the reflective surfaces, and yet didn’t change the actual flare character. It’s just reflecting more of the same as their standard set, which, as most modern designs go, isn’t exactly pretty.


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    Xeens might be at the top of the Affordable cine glass list for me. I like certain qualities enough to consider them over a few similarly price lenses. But i think i only like them because they are cheap.


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