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    One of my XLR Adapter’s ports is fidgety, & makes removing a cable a bit of a chore. SoundPeople always comment that’s because the XLR ports are cheap, & I agree.

    Also agree with filmguy123 that it be better to just pull the entire XLR Adapter when going into the bag, & leave the cable attached. I usually just hand the unit with cable attached to the SoundPeople when moving camera positions.


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    NPM, you may want to think through that detail. Easy to buy things with something in mind, only to get to it practically and realize that you end up using it a totally different way. I'll leave you with 2 thoughts:

    1) Movcam is great but there are other form fitting cages, the smallrig is cheaper and similar enough, maybe just start there and piecemeal anything extra (IE the helmet and handle). You can order the base cage for only $88 on Amazon. Start there, add more if needed once you get a feel for everything.

    2) Consider ordering the XLR unit to check it out, and really think through how stuff will drop in/out of your bag. Your perceived need for the "helmet" may be obsolete when you actually physically try out your workflow of dropping everything into the bag as one wholistic unit or pulling the majority of it apart anyway. Also consider the helmet forces the rig to be taller and doesn't allow you to quickly reduce the height without an allen wrench. I am not saying there is not value in the helmet, just encouraging you to ensure there is actually going to be value you in it for you personally, because if there's not, you may miss a better overall solution. Hence the suggestion to order the other pieces first and get a feel for sizing, fit, etc. and really think through how it will actually position in your bag and how you will want to work a month in, on the 300th time you've opened and closed your bag or reassembled the kit.

    Good luck! Sounds like a nice setup whatever you land on.


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    Thanks a ton fellas. I think getting the XLR unit, base cage and and going from there is definitely a great idea. Bern—on most of the work I do I don't have sound people and I am just a one man band, so for me this unit is just to get high quality sound with a better selection of mics, as well as dual audio channels. When you say leave the cable attached, do you just mean the XLR cable into the adapter unit?

    Getting the cage alone will not blow up the size of the camera and it'll still fit in my pack. From there, I can figure out what I actually need, what will fit and build out a minimalist, practical rig.


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    Quote Originally Posted by npm View Post
    Bern—on most of the work I do I don't have sound people and I am just a one man band, so for me this unit is just to get high quality sound with a better selection of mics, as well as dual audio channels. When you say leave the cable attached, do you just mean the XLR cable into the adapter unit?
    Yes, he means when you kit down the rig, leave the on-camera shotgun mic's XLR cable plugged into the XLR unit. It saves a step, but more importantly, saves constant plugging and unplugging on the XLR unit itself. If given the choice, prefer removing the full unit from the hot shoe constantly VS plugging/replugging the cables into the XLR unit constantly. You'll see why when you have it


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    doesn't the hotshoe on the right side of the Movcam cage, where you would put the mic, get in the way of the XLR ports ? I've read that using a cage with a left side hotshoe was the best option when using the XLR adapter ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by coutard View Post
    doesn't the hotshoe on the right side of the Movcam cage, where you would put the mic, get in the way of the XLR ports ?
    It’s usually best to get an onboard mic as far away from any handeling noise, so if I needed useable audio I’d likely hang it off of InVision’s ‘Video Hot Shoe Microphone Suspension’, which appears would work well with the Movcam’s Cold Shoe.

    http://mymic.rycote.com/products/sho...ideo-hot-shoe/

    Been meaning to have a Y-Cable made from Cable Techniques ‘Low Profile XLR Connectors’ for use with the GH5’s XLR Adapter.

    https://www.cabletechniques.com/lopro-xlr-mini-xlr

    Something like this, but shorter, & with 3-Pin connectors on both ends.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ht_female.html

    Seems one of these preassembled pigtail cables that utilize Low Profile connectors might work for a onboard mic connected to the GH5’s XLR Adapter.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._3_pin_10.html

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...m_premium.html
    Last edited by Bern Caughey; 02-14-2018 at 04:01 AM.


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    I've got the newer version of the SmallRig (2049), but without the helmet. It fits perfectly with the peak design clutch for the right hand. Comfortable to hold and very low profile. Way cheaper than the Movcam. For throwing the camera in the bag with the xlr I would consider the helmet.


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    I bought a smallrig cage when I got the GH5 but now I want to get a battery grip so it will have to go - I'll go back to the smallrig kits that I used to build my own rig for the GH4 and adapt - you can make it to suit yourself


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bern Caughey View Post
    It’s usually best to get an onboard mic as far away from any handeling noise, so if I needed useable audio I’d likely hang it off of InVision’s ‘Video Hot Shoe Microphone Suspension’, which appears would work well with the Movcam’s Cold Shoe.

    http://mymic.rycote.com/products/sho...ideo-hot-shoe/

    Been meaning to have a Y-Cable made from Cable Techniques ‘Low Profile XLR Connectors’ for use with the GH5’s XLR Adapter.

    https://www.cabletechniques.com/lopro-xlr-mini-xlr

    Something like this, but shorter, & with 3-Pin connectors on both ends.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...ht_female.html

    Seems one of these preassembled pigtail cables that utilize Low Profile connectors might work for a onboard mic connected to the GH5’s XLR Adapter.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._3_pin_10.html

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...m_premium.html
    very useful links, thanks. I was looking for this kind of suspension.
    but I was also talking about a wireless receiver...do you manage to use one without getting annoyed by the cables ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by macobra View Post
    I've got the newer version of the SmallRig (2049), but without the helmet. It fits perfectly with the peak design clutch for the right hand. Comfortable to hold and very low profile. Way cheaper than the Movcam.
    That does look like an improvement over the original SmallRig.

    Quote Originally Posted by coutard View Post
    ...I was also talking about a wireless receiver...do you manage to use one without getting annoyed by the cables ?
    The times I’ve had a wireless receiver attached to the GH5 the SoundPerson strapped it to the the Cage’s Top Handle.

    This is the second time I’ve written this in a few days, but would love to see Sennheiser expand on the AVX system, or better yet build similar receivers, & functionality, for other frequency bands.

    http://www.newsshooter.com/2018/01/2...-shooting-gh5/

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