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    I'm still trying to decide what to do with my GoPro Karma drone, bought new just before Christmas. I like the Hero 5 Black--no complaints about the camera--and the drone is very straightforward. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the DJIs and the Yuneecs. But I worry about support in the future.

    Am I being naive? Is there such a thing as long-term support for $800-consumer devices? I could fly it happily until it quits, or return it now and buy a *gulp* DJI or something. But then I'd have duplicated the camera.
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    Is there really any support from GoPro for any of their products? Pretty much as soon as the next model comes out, you are out of luck (my experience from many years ago). Once again, I think (my opinion) was that they didn't care about any single customer because there would always be another sucker right behind that will buy a new camera. Maybe this changed, but it was taught to me (by GoPro) back in the HD days. I pre-ordered the HD (1) expecting a certain feature that I knew I needed. That feature was advertised and printed on the box. Not only did the wait time turn from 1 month to almost 4 months to get the camera, but I had to wait another 9 months for that single feature that I knew I needed (and helped me decide to buy their camera) to finally be released. Suggestions that I made came back with replies that amounted to "we know what we are doing better than you, go away". This from my 25+ years in TV. They eventually gave in to demand and put those features into newer models (I think it took until the 3 for a couple of them). Guess I wasn't so dumb after all. None of my suggestions required hardware changes, it was all software. But they decided they were going to do things their way, and if we didn't like it, we could go away. Looks like lots of people are going away from them. I guess it must be Karma (sorry, had too).

    If it were me, and there was a window to return it... I'd ditch it as fast as I could. The camera will still have value, if you need an action camera. If not then you can probably sell it and not lose too much money (maybe). I need to contact Yi and see if their 4k action cams will do one specific thing. If so I'm going to buy a couple for testing (can't test with 1, need about 8 in the end, but no less than 4).

    Still not sure I want to get into multicopters, my piloting skills kind of suck. Even airplanes are a bit of a challenge. And some of the things I want to do as my hobby, will look a lot like commercial use. That's the problem when you work on the tech side of TV and your hobby might be to produce some videos of other hobby activities (like motorcycle racing). The Yuneec H looks like the level of craft that would make me happy, but a lot of dough to find out that I just can't coordinate the flight controls. And if I get decent, that I get hit with FAA investigations left and right because the video ends up as part of a youtube video that makes me no money (my channel is not monetized, but I'm thinking maybe I will turn that on to help with the racing expenses). If I do this for my hobby, but I turn monetization on and get a few cents or dollars from Youtube, is that them commercial use of the "drone"? (personally I hate that word as they barely fly back to home to land by themselves)


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    Quote Originally Posted by David_Manning View Post
    I'm still trying to decide what to do with my GoPro Karma drone, bought new just before Christmas. I like the Hero 5 Black--no complaints about the camera--and the drone is very straightforward. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the DJIs and the Yuneecs. But I worry about support in the future.

    Am I being naive? Is there such a thing as long-term support for $800-consumer devices? I could fly it happily until it quits, or return it now and buy a *gulp* DJI or something. But then I'd have duplicated the camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firehawk View Post
    Does anyone know if Yuneec is plagued with the constant software issues that DJI is?
    Coming from DJI as a noob, and having spent recently a number of hours flying the Typhoon H Pro, I'm completely sold on Yuneec. Completely. The difference in flying Yuneec over DJI P4P is immense, to my mind. DJI are so crashy & particular with warnings & errors showing constantly that I was ready to give up droning completely, and I know people who have given up completely just based on frequency of crashes.

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    DJI makes great gear but on the software side of things they are extremely annoying. A lot of people are getting fed up with them. Since they are king right now they don't seem to care: The crashing, glitching, malfunctioning and sneaky "features" they force in can leave you inoperable on a job in front of an unhappy client.
    Forums are filled with DJI drone pilots complaining of crashes & erratic behavior. The all-in-one Yuneec controller & attendant software are SO easy to use, I can't even believe it after coming from DJI. I've flown almost every day for the past 5 days with not a single glitch, hiccup, or moment of unexpected flight behavior.

    That said, the Typhoon H seems to not hold position as well as P4P, camera is not as good (but it appears TH+ will have a comparable camera), and it's larger. Operation IMO is WAY better with Yuneec, it's more stable in wind, camera seems more streamlined so less susceptible to wind forces (I've had wind actually forcibly pan the P4P camera), you have 360 degree camera pan, no screwing around finding the right tablet to use, smart modes are easy and simple to use, and from what I hear, Yuneec's support is amazing.

    And, Yuneec has been committed to electric aviation for over 15 years (longer than DJI has even existed), so I feel pretty good about their drones.


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    Thanks for taking the time to share all that, Chris.
    If you don't mind, let us know how it works out as more time goes by.
    Sounds like the app crashing/problems are much better with Yuneec.

    Do you have to go online to clear your flight ahead of time? My friend goes through the whole DJi online process with his P4 and it often still won't let him fly even after it's all been done. And sometimes Dji randomly forces you to log into your account and won't let you fly until you do, which is a problem when it pops up way out in the field with no internet.
    And they continually force you to update to their latest spyware and buggy version and it won't fly until you do. Any of that stuff the same with the Typhoon?

    Typhoon H plus looks especially interesting with improved camera.
    Can it do a quality HDMI out feed?


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    No, there's no need to ever clear a flight with the FAA unless you need to operate in or maybe near restricted airspace. With Typhoon, I just go fly. I used to get some kind of helpful warning on DJI controller in one area I fly in, but as far as I can tell, Yuneec has no such annoying warnings at all. Yuneec has built in HDMI output unlike P4P. You need to buy a $100 module to output HDMI with P4P controller. I haven't used the output yet, but will be soon with Yuneec's FPV goggles. .


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    As an aside regarding my previous post, my GoPro Karma drone has been flying flawlessly. It doesn't have most of the smart modes of the DJI, but it flies well, has a good controller/interface and screen, and the Hero 5 Black camera is really good. Parts are available, and customer service has been quick and flawless (I had a battery stop working...it was replaced and FedEx'd to me, no cost or questions...they just needed a picture of the serial number).

    When it quits working, I'll be looking at 1" sensor drones or larger. I think customer service might be the key to these aerial camera decisions.
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    Thanks Chris and David. That sounds encouraging. I like the hero 5.
    I may get a typhoon in the future as they sound like a good alternative to dji.


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    Quote Originally Posted by firehawk View Post
    Typhoon H plus looks especially interesting with improved camera.
    Can it do a quality HDMI out feed?
    The built-in HDMI output from the controller is meant to be a reference stream - it’s at 720p.

    Yuneec’s approach is much different than DJI’s, imo. Yes, there are some no-fly spaces. My understanding is that you can get a support code to turn off no-fly zones when you establish with Y that you are Part 107 licensed and perhaps sign a waiver.

    From the forums I read, Yuneec’s support experience is much better than DJI’s, according to pilots who have been through both. I’ve not had to call...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Santucci View Post
    Coming from DJI as a noob, and having spent recently a number of hours flying the Typhoon H Pro, I'm completely sold on Yuneec. Completely. The difference in flying Yuneec over DJI P4P is immense, to my mind. DJI are so crashy & particular with warnings & errors showing constantly that I was ready to give up droning completely, and I know people who have given up completely just based on frequency of crashes.



    Forums are filled with DJI drone pilots complaining of crashes & erratic behavior. The all-in-one Yuneec controller & attendant software are SO easy to use, I can't even believe it after coming from DJI. I've flown almost every day for the past 5 days with not a single glitch, hiccup, or moment of unexpected flight behavior.

    That said, the Typhoon H seems to not hold position as well as P4P, camera is not as good (but it appears TH+ will have a comparable camera), and it's larger. Operation IMO is WAY better with Yuneec, it's more stable in wind, camera seems more streamlined so less susceptible to wind forces (I've had wind actually forcibly pan the P4P camera), you have 360 degree camera pan, no screwing around finding the right tablet to use, smart modes are easy and simple to use, and from what I hear, Yuneec's support is amazing.

    And, Yuneec has been committed to electric aviation for over 15 years (longer than DJI has even existed), so I feel pretty good about their drones.
    Thanks for sharing your experience! I certainly will give Yuneec a serious look next time I get a drone.
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