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    Canon announces new XF400/405 camcorders
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    UHD 4k, 1.0-Type CMOS sensor, 15x zoom lens and Dual Pixel autofocus.
    Difference between the two is that 405 comes with SDI.
    Great camera, although to me it seems more like XA update not XF models.


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    the xf camera line was decent but i thought always a bit over-priced.

    i shot with a xf300 for a while and liked the lens.

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    Seems like the most direct competitors to the Canon XF400 and XF405 are the Panasonic HC-X1/UX180 and the Sony PXW-Z150. In that sense the XF400 and XF405 are priced pretty competitively. Both the Sony and Panasonic come in slightly larger bodies with dedicated zoom, iris, and focus rings (the XF400/405 seem to only have a single ring), but in terms of specifications there are a lot of similarities:

    Canon XF400 ($2999) / XF405 ($3499)
    • 1-inch sensor
    • 15x zoom lens (f/2.8-4.5)
    • 2160p60 support (4:2:0 at 150Mbps)
    • 1080p60 (4:2:0 at 35Mbps)
    • 1080p120 for slow motion
    • Dual-pixel autofocus
    • HDMI 2.0 (2160p60) and 3G-SDI (1080p60 on XF405 only)
    • 2.5 lbs. (3.7 lbs with handle, battery, and hood)

    Sony PXW-Z150 ($3299)
    • 1-inch sensor
    • 12x zoom lens (f/2.8-4.5)
    • 2160p30 support (4:2:0 at 100 Mbps)
    • 1080p60 (10-bit 4:2:2 at 50 Mbps)
    • 1080p120 for slow motion
    • Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) with Rec.2020 color space
    • HDMI 1.4 (2160p30) and 3G-SDI (1080p60) output
    • 4.2 lb (5.1 lb with battery and hood)

    Panasonic HC-X1 ($3199) / UX180 ($3499)
    • 1-inch sensor
    • 20x zoom lens (f/2.8-4.5)
    • 2160p60 support (4:2:0 at 150Mbps)
    • DCI 4K 4096x2160 at 24p
    • 1080p60 (4:2:0 at 100 Mbps Long GOP or 200 Mbps All-Intra)
    • 1080p120 for slow motion
    • HDMI 2.0 (2160p60) and 3G-SDI (1080p60 on UX180 only)
    • 4.4 lb (5.3 lb with battery and lens hood)

    Unfortunately none of the cameras have 10-bit 4:2:2 recording in Ultra HD (either internally or externally over HDMI). Maybe the manufacturers don't think that's an important feature for these types of camcorders?


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    Sorry, Dave, I accidentally tapped the unhelpful arrow on my iPad whilst reading your very helpful post above. Don't know how to undo the mistake!


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    davedv-

    i wonder if the panasonic offerings with the longer zoom and higher bit rate might be a better value.

    i'm not flaming.

    i am simply asking/suggesting.

    thanks for the chart.

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    Glad to see more activity in this space. My ultimate goal is to have Panasonic make a P2 version of the 1" chip 4k video camera. This would be an upgrade/replacement for the PX-270. Seems like 1" is the new 1/3" when it comes to "video" cameras. The cameras listed are all nice but I would rather see the next level up in quality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by davedv View Post
    Unfortunately none of the cameras have 10-bit 4:2:2 recording in Ultra HD (either internally or externally over HDMI). Maybe the manufacturers don't think that's an important feature for these types of camcorders?
    According to Cinema5D, you at least have 8-bit 4:2:2 up to 25p externally in UHD. Not sure if true as new specs are initially sometimes messy on the internet, but it would make sense as everyone else offers at least 8-bit 4:2:2 over HDMI.

    https://www.cinema5d.com/canon-annou...n-xf405-xf400/


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    Love that body style. Now why can't anyone make one with an interchangeable lens?

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    ^Yes, would love that from Canon...with some sort of zooming technology to keep the rocker working.

    LS300 is an option...

    Sony also had this one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...able_Lens.html


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    I put my pre order in on this new camera. I currently film with a C100 mark 1 and have been wanting to get into 4k content with the same auto focus that my 7d mark ii has. I would love a C200 but the cost is prohibitive and my wife can barely figure out my C100 as it is.
    We film custom content for clients around the world for web and computer delivery. Almost everything is shot hand held with studio lighting and with a shotgun mic.
    I use the same lens every day and can't remember the last time it has come off the camera. As much as I love my C100, I just don't think I need it anymore since I am not shooting anything with shallow DOF anymore, nor filming broadcast quality. I really just want something that I can pick up and use, easy AF with 4k and this seems to check all the boxes.
    I had been also thinking about the Canon XC15 - but the lack of handle, no wrist strap and 4k to CFast cards was holding me back.
    How do you guys think the quality of the video (24p) will be compared to what I'm shooting with the C100?


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