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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDingo View Post
    Hmmm... 96GB seems a little small for "virtually unlimited" relay recording. I wonder if this was supposed to be 960GB ???
    I was wondering about this, too. But their brochure clearly states that the cameras can record to 128GB cards, and the recording time on that card is twice that of the 64GB cards. So my interpretation is that in relay recording, it will only fill each card to 96GB, then switch to the next card. Maybe Barry can clarify?


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    From reading the brochures, it looks like the UX180 and HC-X1 use the same sensor, while the UX90 uses a different one. The sensors on the UX180 and HC-X1 both have 8.79 Mpixels for UHD and FHD modes, and 9.46 Mpixels for 4k mode. But the sensor on the UX90 has 17.78 Mpixels for FHD mode, and only 8.59 Mpixels for UHD mode. So the UX90 significantly crops the sensor when going from FHD to UHD (similar to what the DVX200 does, but the DVX200 has a larger sensor). This is also confirmed by the lens, which has a (35mm equivalent) wide angle focal length of 24.5mm at FHD, but 35.4mm at UHD. On the other hand, the UX180 and HC-X1 uses the full sensor for 4k, and slightly crops for UHD and FHD. This is also confirmed by the lens that goes from 24mm at 4k to 25.4mm at UHD and FHD. So my conclusion is that if you're shooting UHD, then the picture quality will probably be significantly better on the UX180 and HC-X1 than on the UX90. But if you're only shooting FHD, then the picture quality on these 3 cameras will probably be similar. But if you're only shooting FHD, then you can probably find a cheaper camera, too.

    So in my opinion, the UX180 and the HC-X1 are the two cameras that should be classified in the same family, while the UX90 should be in a different family. But who am I to say?


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    Ah..well we shall then see if the mention of the "standard UX90" leads down the road to different version..


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    Panasonic AG-UX180 HC-X1 & AG-UX90 Pre-Order Links at Texas Media Systems
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    my rep at Panasonic Consumer says that the HC-X1 is similar to the AG-UX180, but without HD-SDI & TC input.

    0% 12 Month Lease Financing is available on the AG-UX180 & AG-UX90. Apply online using the button below.

    Panasonic AG-UX180 $3495 ETA December 2016


    Panasonic HC-X1 December 2016 $3199.99

    Panasonic AG-UX90 $2095 ETA November 2016

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    Terry, You contacted a consumer Panny rep regarding the HC-X1 and UX180. Yet Panasonic in their brochures advertise these cameras as "Professional" cameras. Are these cameras being marketed through Panasonic's consumer division?
    Last edited by nutmegger; 09-08-2016 at 11:40 AM. Reason: Correction.


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    The HC-X1 is marketed by the photo division of Panasonic.

    The AG-UX180 and AG-UX90 is marketed through Panasonic Professional.
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    Will the HC-X1 and UX180 have the same warranties?


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    FYI, we had a similar situation with the HC-X1000; it was clearly and obviously every bit as professional in design and features as any Panasonic professional handheld camcorder at a comparable price point, but it was marketed through the consumer/stills division. So it looks like the HC-X1 is in a similar situation. From what I have been able to determine, the primary differences are, as Terry said, that they're pretty much the same camera except the UX-180 adds the 3G-SDI port and the timecode i/o port. I don't know what the differences in price or warranty will be.


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    Terry,

    Do you have any idea if we will see and future P2 camera out of Panasonic? It seems they have abandoned the format and codecs that are the strongest. Hearing that the UX180 is from the professional division is encouraging. Does the UX prefix mean the same as PX just ultra-high def? Thanks


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    Barry, B&H has the HC-X1 listed at $3,199.99USD and the UX180 at $3795USD.
    Last edited by nutmegger; 09-08-2016 at 02:36 PM. Reason: Correction


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