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    I just noticed there are a lot of new alternatives to the Westcott Flex LED series, including some inexpensive Chinese versions:

    Travor FL-3030 30x30cm Flex Mat (aka LF740)
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/371716486343 or http://www.ebay.com/itm/142090625468

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    http://falconeyes.net/Product.aspx?id=1852
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/201644263699
    RX-18T
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/201643579128

    Intellytech Airlight
    http://www.intellytechusa.com/collec...panel-airlight


    Anyone used any of these or see any big red flags? I'm considering grabbing one. I'll probably go check out the Intellytech at B&H soon since the FL-80 looks like a great option.

    Color rendering or flickering could be a concern with the Chinese models, and they are not bi-color but for the price it might be worth it. The Travor seems to have wireless dimming and doesn't need a bulky controller which seems especially useful. It's a bit concerning that the electronics take up so little space, I wonder if there is a big drawback to having the controller housed in a slim black box in the corner. But the idea of a light mat that only needs a simple DC barrel is cool since it would be easy to use cheap large batteries and adapters.

    EDIT EDIT: Removed groupbuy information, putting it on hold due to price drop for buying 3060A lights on ebay/aliexpress without any groupbuy or minimum order.
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    I have not used any of these - but literally just stumbled upon Intellytech last week while researching other lighting products. I too am interested in that FL-80 as well as their 485 7" Fresnel. Specs look & sound pretty good but need to get more hands-on reviews. I inquired directly to them and they are manufactured in China. Beginning to wonder if more and more LED companies popping up here in US are merely importing from same factories and then adding their branding? Again, still interested, just need more info.


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    Hm Interesting. Been wanting to add a few of these to my kit and for this price might be worth the shot. Also Any idea on larger sizes, wouldn't mind a longer one as well.
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    I took a look at the Intellytech on display at B&H. Apparently it's brand new. Seems pretty comparable to the Westcott Flex 2x1' but the controller seems to have better build quality and more precise readout but is only controlled via an up and down arrow and a color/dimmer toggle button, which I suppose is more durable than a knob but doesn't offer as quick tactile operation. The output may also be lower, but I like that the Intellytech has essentially the same source size but is smaller since it doesn't have the 1" velcro border all the way around that the Flex does, and it can fold in half for storage versus the Westcott Flex which pretty much has to be rolled or laid flat. One thing that seemed odd was that the AC adapter included in the Intellytech was an IBM branded laptop charger that seemed to have its connector switched out for Intellytech's 5pin miniXLR, and the brand new floor model already had at least one pin connector broken, though it didnt affect operation (I imagine only 2 pins are even used for the DC connection anyway).

    Frankly for the price I'm leaning toward trying the Travor first. I'll see how low of a best offer bid I can get. Seems pretty interesting in that one could conceivably get one big AC adapter and use a DC barrel parallel splitter cable and stick a whole bunch of these together (I'm thinking 2 or 4) and basically have a modular system that can run off one power supply and possibly could all be run on the same wireless channel for simultaneous operation like one big source or also be split up and run as several small ones. Seems like powerful possibilities as long as the color and flicker is good and the design doesnt suck. It seems by far more compact than any other option with the small controller and wireless receiver being built into the mat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyvz View Post
    I took a look at the Intellytech on display at B&H. Apparently it's brand new. Seems pretty comparable to the Westcott Flex 2x1' but the controller seems to have better build quality and more precise readout but is only controlled via an up and down arrow and a color/dimmer toggle button, which I suppose is more durable than a knob but doesn't offer as quick tactile operation. The output may also be lower, but I like that the Intellytech has essentially the same source size but is smaller since it doesn't have the 1" velcro border all the way around that the Flex does, and it can fold in half for storage versus the Westcott Flex which pretty much has to be rolled or laid flat. One thing that seemed odd was that the AC adapter included in the Intellytech was an IBM branded laptop charger that seemed to have its connector switched out for Intellytech's 5pin miniXLR, and the brand new floor model already had at least one pin connector broken, though it didnt affect operation (I imagine only 2 pins are even used for the DC connection anyway).

    Frankly for the price I'm leaning toward trying the Travor first. I'll see how low of a best offer bid I can get. Seems pretty interesting in that one could conceivably get one big AC adapter and use a DC barrel parallel splitter cable and stick a whole bunch of these together (I'm thinking 2 or 4) and basically have a modular system that can run off one power supply and possibly could all be run on the same wireless channel for simultaneous operation like one big source or also be split up and run as several small ones. Seems like powerful possibilities as long as the color and flicker is good and the design doesnt suck. It seems by far more compact than any other option with the small controller and wireless receiver being built into the mat.
    Let me know how it goes and what offer they accept, I'm tempted to do the same for the RX 18T since its 45cm by 60 cm and could be good for some nice large portable setup that could fit in a small bag for shooting food on the go. Plus Tape it to a wall and you got a makeshift window light.
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    Unfortunately one of them with NP or LP battery plate The whole point is to have it extremely portable and not have to deal with big (and expensive) V-mount batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alohype View Post
    Unfortunately one of them with NP or LP battery plate The whole point is to have it extremely portable and not have to deal with big (and expensive) V-mount batteries.
    I assume you're referring to the intellytech? I believe it comes with a v mount plate but uses a d-tap to 5pin minixlr cable to attach to it so it would be trivial to adapt that to any other battery that fits the input voltage range. NP1 or BPU batteries should be fine. Or cheap Chinese li-ions with a simple adapter cable would work.

    It's also worth noting that as expected the intellytechs are bicolor and seem to be brightest when at 4650K. So it's an 80w light but it's basically only 40w at 2900k or 6500k.
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    Very interested to see and hear what you guys discover on these. The Westcott seems interesting but is just expensive and limited enough for me to wait. But the Travor is cheap enough to take a gamble on for me. But you guys go first! ;-) Would definitely like to hear about CRI (in real life), flicker, flicker with higher frame rates and how the CRI stays or varies when dimmed down in output.
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    Well they just accepted $150 for the travor panel, so I'll let you know what I find.
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    So this Travor LED light came today. So far it seems quite nice. I paired it with the controller and it dims and turns on and off well, and it is incredibly compact since all you need is the flexible panel and the 24V power adapter which also has a surprisingly long cable and a power switch on it. It took a few minutes to figure out the controller and pairing since the controller has a separate manual I didn't see.

    I tested shutter speeds and couldn't get it to flicker at any shutter speed. Output looks good. According to my Kill-A-Watt meter, it draws 39W at full power or 59VA, which means it has a pretty low 0.6 power factor which isn't awesome but isn't a huge deal I suppose.

    One interesting thing is the manual is for all 4 models, the FL-3030, 3030a, 3060 and 3060a. The 'A' is for bi-color and the 3030 refers to 30x30cm size and 3060 refers to 30x60cm size. That is interesting since the FL-3060A sounds quite appealing to me. This also lead me to look up the models and see if one could buy them anywhere. Seems like the 3030 is still the only one available but I just saw it is now sold on amazon under the brand Samtian for only $140 and free shipping: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HPGG6Z4
    Also the reviews look pretty good, which is reassuring.

    Oddly it seems like there is no protective coating on the front of the panel and the soldering points and emitters may be susceptible to damage easily, though this may be easy to fix by painting on a transparent waterproof coating like most similar panels have. Also the material the LEDs are on makes a crinkling noise when you bend it, but there appears to be a moldable outer frame inside the panel so it does hold its shape when you bend it or roll it into a shape.

    I need to do some color tests with it to judge the CRI and color temperature, but so far it looks promising especially for $150. If it turns out well I'd be excited to get my hands on a couple of the FL-3060A units. It really does seem like it would be easy to gang a ton of these together pretty easily and cheaply and have an awesome big source that packs up into almost nothing and doesn't need a whole bunch of separate controllers and hardware hanging off it. I'm also curious to try this with a 24V battery, though I might have to run two 12V batteries in series since I don't have any 24V batteries...

    Hoping these work out and I can sell all my yongnuo yn-600 LEDs and replace them with a bunch of these.
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