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    Depends on your needs.

    Being hired more as an owner/op, I need to move on to a camera system with some sort of demand, either C300.2 or FS7 being the current top contenders. Panasonic does not currently have a solution to fit my needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstbase View Post
    It's the purportedly lower DR of the sensor (10 to 11 stops?) and suspicious highlight clipping that is a bit disconcerting. These perceived (or actual?) shortcomings may prevent this camera from becoming a wildly popular production/cinema tool, particularly with new cams such as the high DR URSA mini breathing down its neck. Lpowell, do you share these concerns, or do you think the camera sensor's image will hold up?
    Here's a high-contrast LS-300 sample video shot in 4K, using ambient lighting with no fills. Shadow detail and highlight gradients look pretty clean to my eyes. I'd think anyone familiar with the AF100's dynamic range and highlight clipping would have little trouble getting high quality results from the LS-300. The major issue I anticipate is the lack of waveform monitor or histogram. In practice, I'd expect to rely on the zebra to set highlight exposure, and then use the adjustable gamma control to dial up shadow and midrange exposure. I am not an SLOG fan and this kind of exposure methodology is what I use when shooting with Nikon cameras. (The LS-300 is the only 4K camera I know of offering calibrated gamma control.)



    The other thing of interest is the LS-300's working ISO range, which appears to be midway between the GH4 and the A7S:

    GH4: 200 - 1600 ISO
    LS-300: 400 - 6400 ISO
    A7S: 800 - 12800 ISO (except in SLOG-2, where min ISO is 3200 and max is sky high)

    This is kind of a porridge issue for me - the GH4's ISO range is too low, requiring very fast lenses in low light. With the high ISO range of the A7S you shoot with higher f-stops than I prefer, though the full-frame DOF compensates for it. But with my MFT and Nikon lens collection, the LS-300's ISO range looks just right, and the multi-crop Super35 sensor has the FOV I like best.

    The other issue I have is recording formats. I'm fed up with the AF100 and GH4's ridiculous recording formats that split lengthy event videos into 4GB sections, which I then have to patch together. The A7S doesn't even record 4K videos internally. The LS-300 can record single-file 64GB videos on SDXC cards in MOV format, just what I want. In practice, these kind of working considerations are more important to me than DR specs.


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    I can't buy a JVC product. It's down to fs7 or c300 mk2. I really like the features on the canon but's it's grossly overpriced. I'm in no rush to buy anything now.


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    I pre-ordered a JVC, then cancelled when I discovered it is 8 bit only in all formats... Then I ordered a Blackmagic Ursa Mini. only to discover no built in NDs. What is it with these manufacturers? Don't they know what's going on out here?

    The JVC was such an exciting prospect, I have MFT lenses, MFT adapted prime lenses, EF lenses, S16 zoom lenses, Z-Finders. I could have used everything I own, and they limit it to 8 bit and H.264? Really?


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    Yes, the lack of NDs on the Ursa Mini is just a head slapper. If you want to use external NDs then just don't turn on the internal NDs but you can't go the other direction... They might be regretting this decision now.

    Personally, I really like the JVC design. They are really good at creating cameras for usage. But often fall short on the image/specs. It is like JVC is relegated to the mid-bottom of the market in the Japanese large company power structure. I am sure all of the companies know what people want, how could they not? Just seems like other factors are at play.

    When I think of an AF-200 the JVC design is what I envisioned. Even without an AF-200 there is a lot of choice out there! C300s for ~$6,000, this JVC ~$4,000, DVC200 and the Ursa. The reviewers are going to be busy over the next six months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman2003 View Post
    It is like JVC is relegated to the mid-bottom of the market in the Japanese large company power structure...
    They've basically always been there on the consumer front. Their videos cameras though seem quite popular.

    PS. Back in 1986, I was about to buy my first CD player. I wanted JVC, as it was available at about a 70% employee discount (off retail). My buddies, who by then had several years of experience with the audio gear, looked at me as if I was insane. They had a unanimous vote for Sherwood. "Sherwood?", you ask. Well, it was a rebadged Philips and had the best DAC on the market at the time. JVC was something to sell to those seeking features. Their VCR's were pretty good. Everything else? Meh.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman2003 View Post
    Yes, the lack of NDs on the Ursa Mini is just a head slapper.
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    Here's where I'm at personally:

    Features like 4K, 120fps, and higher bit rate recording are all "wants" for me right now, not "needs." In other words, I am not yet losing jobs in my market by using the gear I currently have. An AF200 would have likely made me adopt a new camera sooner than I absolutely needed to - if it had offered anything close to the rumored improvements over the AF100... but I have decided to stay put for probably the next year now. The one thing I do need for an upcoming gig is an ultra-wide angle lens... so if anyone out there is moving on from m43 and would like to unload their Lumix 7-14, send me a pm.

    As for what else is out there that I might look into a year from now:

    JVC LS300
    pros: Very intriguing the system they've designed for mapping lenses onto the sensor. Great to keep my collection of m43 glass active and economical not having to invest in new lens format. No real issues with JVC products in the past - owned and loved the original HD100
    cons: Have not seen any footage thus far that impresses me. Seems to exhibit same highlight handling and exposure issues that have annoyed me about AF100. I don't want to buy a new camera at this point that doesn't give at least 11-12 stops of actual real world DR... so jury still out for me on this cam until I see more footage.

    Blackmagic Ursa Minor
    pros: love the size & form-factor. Love the VF concept. In photos and on paper this looks like a killer cam.
    cons: uncertain about Blackmagic vs. a Sony or Panny pro camera. Can I take it out of the bag 5 days a week every week for 3+ years and have it just work? Every single time? Plain and solid reliable pro performance is something I haven't heard from the same percentage of Blackmagic users as with other brands. No built-in NDs would impact my workflow to the point that alone will probably stop me from seriously considering this cam.

    Sony FS7
    Pricey for me - but seems like good investment and all-around workhorse cam for what I do that would justify the investment. The kit 28-135 would not do for me - I need a short/wide zoom for 75% of the stuff I shoot and fast primes for the rest. A little larger size-wise than I would prefer, but if I had to buy a new cam today I'm half sure this would be the choice. The other half...

    Canon C100/300
    Again have to buy all new lenses, but even if I got the FS7 I would probably start investing in Canon EF glass at this point. I really love the footage I've seen from these cameras, and love the low-light performance I've read about. I've only used the C500 and only on a tripod, but the form factor looks like it would suit me. Just would have to kit it out more than the FS7 to make it handle the way I want.


    Whichever way I end up going, I foresee keeping my m43 glass active on GH3/4 as b-cam or for certain types of shoots - so not a total loss switching formats. I just mourn the likely loss of m43 as a legit system for a pro cine/video camera. As someone who used to shoot BetcamSP for news but whose back isn't as young as it used to be, m43 allows a great compromise between image quality and the size/weight of the equipment necessary to get it. The AF100 with the Voigtlanders gives me the thinnest DoF I would ever want for interviews & artistic shots, but with the Panny 12-35 also gives me the larger DoF I need for run & gun. Guess I'll milk everything I can out of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by combatentropy View Post
    I seriously wonder how he could make such a ridiculous statement? Certainly he needed to be called to task on it and to date I have not read any explanation or " clarification.."
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