I stop taking feedback when the person paying me is happy. Or if I'm selling something done on spec, when someone finally buys it.
Honestly, it comes down to money. If I want to turn the words on a page into a performance on the screen, the people with the money are the people I listen to the most. If I'm self-funding something, and doing it for the sake of - well, art for arts sake let's say - then I can afford to listen less to others and more to myself. But I'll still share things with others and ask for feedback. Some feedback I find useful, some I don't. I tend to discard the stuff I don't agree with, unless several people are telling me similar things.
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06-23-2012 08:35 PM
08-24-2012 12:11 PM
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IT'S YOUR ARTISTIC VISION! If you like what you have done, then do not ask for feedback, because you'll get it. If you are on the fence about your project, one way or the other, FEEDBACK, could completely knock you off the damn fence. Just present your project, and listen.
08-25-2012 11:36 AM
08-25-2012 12:44 PM
All good advice here. Listen, digest...and go with your gut.
Remember, you can make some of the people happy all of the time....and all of the people happy some of the time...but you can't make all the people happy all the time.
This conversation comes up with every fest too!
08-25-2012 01:54 PM
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Defending Jar Jar? I had to log in for that.
The Greatest Movie Review of All Time
Anyway, it's mostly taste. I read an article about Hollywood marketers (snakes in suits) yesterday, and they don't give a crap about critics. They target audiences, and if the drooling masses show up and cheer, they are the kings of the world. The quote was along the lines of 'what does a middle aged man have in common with the desires of teenaged girls?' In other words, they tactically disregard the irrelevant opinions. And show the six-pack abs.
That said, I am not a Hollywood marketer. I can't stand a good 90% of the sewage that flows from that city, and I most certainly don't watch it. I prefer foreign and indie fare. My only goal is to find the exceptional cinema that can be produced, but seldom is.
I must have read a thousand short film scripts over the years. I liked a handful. Mostly they don't grab me, and they lack artistry. They aren't compelling enough to warrant finishing. Sometimes I've been wrong. On occasion I disliked a feature script but liked the resulting movie. Not loved, mind you, but liked. There's a wide swath of the bell curve where like is enough, and so you (and the rest of us) might just slide in and make it work.
In my mind, to be loved, it needs to be compelling in the extreme as well as have something thematic worth saying. It needs originality and invention. It needs to rise above the pile and go where I haven't been before. You do all those things, and I'll be powerless to resist.
08-25-2012 02:21 PM
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- Los Angeles CA
When to stop taking feedback? You shouldn't have to ask this question. If you're asking this question - things are on the wrong track. Here's how it should be - ideally. Your script grabs people. See the quote from mail4joeg above. If your script is worthwhile, it'll grab people so strongly, they in the words of mail4joeg, they'll be "powerless to resist", and if that happens, guess what the feedback is going to be... and you'll know - no need to ask more questions. And now you answer "oh, but that's an unreasonable standard - that's very rare". And I answer: yes, it is. But that's the only time the script is truly worthwhile. See the quote above again - it is so right, that I'll quote it again:
I must have read a thousand short film scripts over the years. I liked a handful. Mostly they don't grab me, and they lack artistry. They aren't compelling enough to warrant finishing.
Yeah, it's rare. But truly worthwhile things are rare. If it's mediocre, there is no special point at which you should stop taking feedback - it doesn't matter... it's mediocre. So there's your answer - if it didn't grab people, it doesn't matter. Which means, the question shouldn't really exist. It's like asking "when should I stop going to a doctor" - if you're healthy, your yearly checkup will come back "clean bill of health" and there is nothing further to discuss (the script grabbed the reader and didn't let go); I mean if you got a clean bill of health, you wouldn't then turn around and ask "but when should I stop going to the doctor?" The answer would already be there. So if you're asking the question "when should I stop going to the doctor", it means you're sick - and there is no answer to that question... just as there isn't an answer to the question "when should I stop going to the doctor"... you're sick, and who knows when you'll be healthy, and if you don't know, nobody knows... same as with the script - if you keep needing to have feedback because it doesn't grab people so strongly they are unable to resist, then it's mediocre and nobody knows when you should stop taking feedback.
Now, I guess there are some exceptions. Perhaps the script is good, but for one flaw and if you fix that, you'll have a great script. Perhaps you are generally pretty healthy and if you just fix that one thing, you'll be in perfect health. If that's the case, then again, it is clear when to stop taking feedback or going to the doctor - fix that one thing. Clear enough. No need to ask the question, because the answer is right there - fix this.
However, if your problems are hard to diagnose - medical or scriptwise - it's not just one thing, the script is generally very sick, then you ask: "when oh when can I stop taking feedback or going to the doctor" - that's a bad spot. You're sick. Very very sick. If you have to ask that question, your problems are multiple and you may not survive (your script may not survive - and perhaps wasn't meant to live).
Does that sound harsh? Perhaps - but it's true. And I don't exclude myself from that standard. If my work doesn't grab others, I ain't doing good, and I must figure it out. I think you have to have a pretty clear vision. The very first question you have to ask is - does it grab YOU. Because if it does very strongly... you won't care what a random Tom, Dick or Harry have to say about it - which means you've just answered your own question. But if you keep asking, it means you are not certain yourself. And if it doesn't grab YOU so strongly you're helpless to resist, then what are the chances it will grab strangers? Go write material that grabs you so strongly.
08-29-2012 06:31 AM
Exec's pass up on great ideas/ IP's/ scripts every day. There is a letter floating around facebook regarding Fawlty Towers (fromthe BBC) that basically said it was the biggest pile of s*%t they had ever read. Everything is subjective, go with your gut and listen/act on constructive criticism. I personally think you have to keep going in order to find 'Your own Style' this business is built on rejection.
08-30-2012 03:14 PM
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- East Tennessee
The worst thing about unenlightened (and generally unsolicited) criticism is that these critics feels that they must find fault. Solicited feedback from a respected and knowledgeable colleague can be considered and valued . . . and a critique can be complimentary as well as negative. Most likely, the supportive critique can be most valuable.
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08-30-2012 06:39 PM
not sure i agree 100 percent, but close to it- wes craven here is telling you not to listen to anyone.
probably just making the point that if youre gonna be a director you best have some firm, defendable ideas about what you want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJPZRM5380M"The foundation of film art is editing"
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08-31-2012 09:42 AM
Hi-ya Tommy, I'm not too far per se from you. I take it your in Jackson. I'm in Warren. I enjoyed watching your work from your website. You have talent. Your last one "What might have been" was very good. The cinematography was excellent and the acting was superb for a short. As in any art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It would be a boring world if we all liked exactly the same stuff. Wishing you the best.