Hi all, this is kind of a 2-part question.. I have a shoot inside a small grocery store and will be going for a clean soft colorful look. The shots will be medium-close at the check-out. I'm trying to ponder what the best way to light my talent would be. There are 2-bank flourescent tubes spread on the ceiling-which is fairly low- and therefore give strong ambient light. How should I supplement the light hitting the talent? I have a cheap 2-bank flouro 48in light, I could install the same bulbs from the grocery store and place nearer the subject for an even match? Or should I shut off the fluoro's directly overhead, and try the same? My other concern is the "greenness" .. How can I work to eliminate it? ....I could also build and use regular-base flo's to punch through diffusion or a softbox.
2nd part.. Another scene takes place in a restaurant, which has to be shot during the day (but takes place at night) and has daylight spilling through the windows, the whole restaurant is lit with incandescents however. I would really like to use tungsten lights to shape this scene so how do I do it? I could potentially flag, or shade the windows nearest our table, but I think some would HAVE to be unshaded, bringing in that ambient sunlight.. Theyre tinted windows, but I dont know how much it'll affect my picture.. Experimenting with 1/2 ctb and such crossed my mind, but alot of this is still new to me. Thanks
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06-18-2012 07:28 PM
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06-18-2012 09:03 PM
1) Your first scenario of using the same lights as in the ceiling to supplement to your key lights will match pretty well as long as the tubes don't flicker.
Just make sure they look ok on camera. If the store is providing these tubes they may be many years old and be a little unpredictable in their color reproduction.
If this is the case you can gel up some kino flos to match the exisiting florescents. Usually some 1/4 to 1/2 plus green will do the trick, you just have to determine where the color bias is based on your white balance preset (if shooting video).
2) If the restaurant scene takes place at night, no amount of daylight spill will look appropriate in your scene (if I'm understanding your question) If it has to look like a night scene just tape duvateen or visqueen over all the windows, then light to taste.
06-18-2012 10:39 PM
OR, you could go day for night and ND the windows (a lot).
06-20-2012 01:36 AM
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Thanks.. Right, so I'll stick with using my banks with the "poisoned" flourescent tubes, and simply try to get the best neutral exposure since I always set blacks and coloring in post.
for the restaurant, the windows are only on one wall of the whole place so maybe I can black them out - Is there anything cheaper than duvatyne that's good at this? As the windows are rather large and I can't afford to gel them, and dont have alot of duvy.
06-20-2012 04:26 AM
Black plastic rubbish sacks taped to the glass? Anything to get rid of the outside light - or at least dim it down!
06-20-2012 04:56 AM
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It seems that you may need to consider a general approach to lighting a practical set
I suppose I evaluate the light and have some options
-turn it off
-roll with it
Turn it off - thats obvious apart from the sun which is hard to turn off
and now some offices have auto lighting too..
Add so much light that the practicals are very dim - this is great if you have the welly - most likely not
Roll with it
Light to the colour of the practicals - for example a ballroom may be huge and have a load of tungsten - here you would have add tungsten
Modify it - by adding ND or filtration to the practical lights or changing out the bulbs I carry a few daylight bulbs for desk lamps and the like.
So your locations
First we dont now how tight your shots are - with a CU usually all optons are open - lets say you cannot keep super tight
The first location, ideally you would modify it by swapping all the tubes out and add some kino, but I guess for budget you are best to put a green filter on your kino key light and roll with the existing ambeint colour temperature by balancing your camera for green
The second location, you need to turn it off, the sun - I guess the place doesnt have blinds (!) then its a night shoot or a world of bin bags
I guess they dont want to lose evening trade, then do it a 0200 hours..
Once you have dark (plus I guess the tungsten practicals) then Id put a 1/2 orange on daylight lighting (or a 1/2 blue on your tungsten lighting) balance off that and the practical tungstens will retain warmth without going over orange..
I guess the resturaunt could look a load better if you actually see some dark outside the windows, maybe passing car lights etc..
Last edited by morgan_moore; 06-20-2012 at 05:04 AM.
06-20-2012 05:20 AM
The color temp. of commercial flos can vary widely from tube to tube. Something you may want to keep in mind.Paul
Camera and Grip Electric Rentals in Dallas and Shreveport
Phoenix Video Productions
06-20-2012 11:18 AM
Use visqueen, very inexpensive, to black out those windows. Or rent furny blankets.
06-20-2012 11:31 AM
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You could probably use black felt from a fabric store to cover the windows if you find that to be any cheaper -- just make sure you have some way to hold it there securely without damaging the property.
If the windows aren't in the shot, you might be able to move it inside to possibly get some minor benefit to sound capture.