Matt Workman did a little write up on this ...don't know if you guys have heard of it. thought i'd share.
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06-08-2012 12:30 PM
That looks nice. The handgrip particularly.
07-05-2012 12:22 PM
thanks for reposting J. For anyone who used to shoot Aaton LTR/XTR this rig makes your small form factor camera just as sexy!
07-06-2012 08:54 AM
I really love this rig, and wish I could justify the cost right now... Honestly, though - it gets me thinking about about making my own version. Could be a fun wood-working project.
Or I could screw it up royally and spend hours cursing the idea. Tough call.
07-06-2012 06:29 PM
I did two shoots all handheld with the C300 just by itself and they didn't go as well as I'd hoped. Then I discovered this rig and used the Beta version on several jobs and they went 100% better. For all handheld shoots where you pull your own focus this is the only viable rig for the C300 IMO.
From what I've heard it takes a lot of wood and patience to design and put a rig like this together
07-07-2012 01:32 AM
After years of rigging, searching and spending too much I finally found on old Arri solution that works best for me. Its an old late 60s style shoulder mount with hip support from Arri for the SR series:arrishoulderm.jpg
its small and travels ok. The best is that both hands can be free. IMO somebody should think about rebuilding these. The wooden monster shown here gives the C300 the size of an ENG type 3 CCD camera but with flying cables and hopefully less weight. Looking at the distorted holding position from front, I wouldnt want to have to shoot a 30 min. standing interview in this position......
07-07-2012 08:04 AM
Tim: every operator is going to have his/her own preference and the Arri SR rig a legit option. I've seen several support companies like Varizoom and Zacuto put out rigs with similar concepts.
I'm not familiar if you have ever operated a 35mm camera handheld (Arri 435, Studio Lite, etc.) or even a 2/3" Broadcast Camera (Varicam, CineAlta, etc.) but please let me explain some basics before you assume that "the distorted holding position" is in any way uncomfortable.
There are basically two styles of handheld/shoulder shooting:
- Two-hands on handgrips/mattebox (1st AC pulling focus)
- Right-Hand on Grip and Left Hand pulling focus.
The Arri 435 is a perfect examples of the first style. Almost all of the Red Epic rigs are designed this way and work perfectly in a cinema shooting enviornment.
The Arri 235, Aaton XTR, Sony HDCAM (2/3") are designed in the second style and are more suited to news and doc shooting.
However, many professional operators are wanting to shoot in the RightHandGrip/LeftHandFocus style. Arri knows this and they designed the Arri Alexa to be abel to cater to either style.
*notice the similar shooting posture
In my experience there aren't any viable rigs for small form factor cameras (HDSLR, Epic, C300, etc.) that keeps the COG in front of your shoulder. So that usually involves extending the effective camera length. The Ergocine does this in an elegant way and almost every professional camera operator and DP I've shown the rig to has agreed. Many have already pre-purchased theirs. I can start giving names if you want to check our credentials.
Depending on the shoot, going handheld for 30 minutes straight etc. the EZ-Rig starts to be the only option. I've done this many times with an Alexa/Epic/RedMX and Optimos or Heavy Prime lenses. But for more flexible shooting the Ergocine makes it easy to shoot from the hip and then quickly go back to your shoulder. The added length is standard cinema camera size and I've shot inside cars, on boats, etc. with it and I've had no issue.
I'm happy to continue the discussion, not shutting anyone down but I wanted to shed some light on where historically this rig is coming from. If one's first experiences are with HDSLR rigs then one may not understand all of the other options that have existed.
Personally, I find the hip rigs to be very out of date. They were initially invented for film cameras like the Arri 2C, Arri 3, Arri S cameras that were more like the Red Epic in size. Since the 1970s the newer standard has become the shoulder camera. The hip rigs were limiting in changing heights dynamically and if you have a discerning director, when you walk/run handheld with that type of rig the motion is not ideal.
07-07-2012 08:46 AM
Also, I forgot that the ErgoCine in that article was the beta version. Dave has further developed it and works with the Canon LCD monitor now and has inner channels for running audio break away cables and video assist.
I have some newer photos from a two day commercial I shot with the ERGO+C300 all handheld. This version was still beta as well, the production models are coming out very soon.
I also operated on a commercial for Disney and the ACAM operator has since bought an ERGOCINE. Also, a head of production at MTV who passed by expressed a big interest in purchasing several for their 6x Canon C300s. I know several TV and commercial production companies that are starting to embrace the C300 will be excited about the Ergocine as well. New York used to be a big Aaton town, so a lot of the DP/Operators are excited about this rig.
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07-07-2012 08:57 AM
Matt - do you know if they're shipping now or what the lead time is on them? I suppose these are questions I need to ask the manufacturer, but the newer version with inner cable channels sounds great for a lot of my shooting...
07-07-2012 09:22 AM
I still only have my pre-production mode, Dave is working hard to get them ready. I have a travel commercial coming up that I really want to use it on!
Here is the blog for Ergocine. Eventually he'll have an official sales site, but he is concentrating on manufacturing them first.
PS: The channels are genius! If your sound guys have the right stuff, you can put the BNC and Breakaway cable all coming right out of the back neatly. Or if they have a 1/4 20" wireless holder, you can go wireless.