1D C Pricing

[vladszp]

even if we get 25, 30 fps...1dc price is less than 9000$...that is how much 4k 8bit 422 camera should cost....

[Jay Birch]

1dc price is less than 9000$...that is how much 4k 8bit 422 camera should cost....

Says who? can you list me all these other 4K 8bit 422 cameras out there? Can you list me even one 4K camera that uses an APS-H sensor size? Or is half the size of Epic? Or half the weight of Epic?

This product has no piers.... It is currently unique, so why people think they can pigeon hole it into their price point is beyond me.

[vladszp]

all that first 4K dslr marketing hype is so ridiculous ...then lets call RED SCARLET first mirrorless 16bit 5K@12fps APS-H RAW photo camera (because it share simmilar price tag)...wow so unique and revolutionary ....This product has no piers...

u can call it first dslr with 4K ... but what i see is camera with worst 4k spec in the class ...

[Jay Birch]

but what i see is camera with worst 4k spec in the class ...

Which is why it is the cheapest.

It has as many plus points as negatives, compared to it's only real competition (price wise) the Scarlet.

Pros:
Better low light
Better still images
Cheap media
Cheap Batteries
Straight to broadcast codec
Scaled 1080/60p
Ability to shoot almost anywhere unnoticed (a huge selling point, for some)
Size/Weight

Cons:
Slightly less DR (unconfirmed)
8 Bit
No RAW
No 3K options
No HDRx (A gimmick, for most)
No direct upgrade path

[vladszp]

for me all that cons outweigh pros...
by the spec 1dx is already 1.5 stops less DR (in the raw mode) ...
8 bit vs 16 bit (no coment)
Scaled 1080/60p resolution as 5d3 (not good)...
Size/Weight not that big difference(i'm 6.5 and have no problem with scarlet ) ...
all that puts 1dc in 9000$ ...
cheaper media (not cheap) ...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mory_Card.html
used in The Ticket (but 1dc bigger bitrate makes it same)
and i even dont like to work with red cameras ...

[Graemsay]

If it comes in at the rumoured $12K / £8K price point then I'd be interested.

In terms of the shortcomings, if people who shoot video and film for a living are OK with 8 bit, then I can live with it. A higher bit depth means more compression to hit a given bit rate, and more artefacts, which include as banding. The Canon outputs at 500 Mb/sec, versus 440 Mb/sec on the Scarlet, so despite the lack of RAW I wouldn't be surprised if it generates better results.

3K strikes me as a gimmick. 2K / 1080P is the standard, whereas 4K is the emerging standard. And if you need 3K then it's not that hard to downsample an image.

[Jay Birch]

for me all that cons outweigh pros...

Then your choice is simple...

[Jay Birch]

Scaled 1080/60p resolution as 5d3 (not good)..

As far as I know, that has not been determined.... The only comment I have heard about the 1080p mode was when it was intercut with the 4K footage.... That is gonna be noticable.

But, if you have, say, a web video to do (or 720p) then it is a great addition to have. For Scarlet, you'd have to shoot in 4K/RAW and downscale.. Not a plus point

[yoclay]

Chuck Westfall pretty much says that the 1DC is not much better than the Mark III when shot at 1080p in his video with Dan Chung.

So basically you get 3 things: 1080/60p, 8 bit 422 on clean HDMI out only (meaning you need an external recorder - which defeats the purpose of the small form factor) and 4k (at 24p only) for an extra $12000. Sound worth it ?
Not to me.

Under $10K yes. Over $10K forgettaboutit. Time for a reality pill at Canon.

[Emanuel]

Yes, price it at FS700 levels and I might be in.
$15k is madness.

Oh, one other thing. Like every other European and PAL user on this planet:
We will not buy this camera until they add proper 25p support!

It is overpriced, yes. But not every PAL user won't buy it because of lack of 25p once there are two workarounds: post conversion like every movie coming from theatres ;) 1/50 180º shutter in order to avoid 24p flickering with street lights, displays, etc, i.e. anything into 50Hz electrical frequency.